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In the 80s when china and India were equal everyone and their granny said india which is a democracy, English speaking and hard-working will allow them to pull far ahead of china in coming years. How wrong they all were....they didn't know the levels of Incompetence that Indians can possess.
Funny. Shouldn't India be pulling ahead since 1947. Why in 80s? Oh this is "Chinese" version of history. India and China were not "equal" in even in 80s. That's nonsense propagated to assuage various minds.
 
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Indian defense minster is pushing India to entering sixth generation engine technology asap..
There is an urgency india it appears recently

Rafale deal to be signed immenently
Massive push for next generation engines developement with European help
Even talk of Gcap and Fcas in future
It's all Europe now
India had told Russia no Su57 deal until the Ukraine war is over the want to avoid caatsa sanctions from USA
And definitely no USA fighters like F35

To be honest it's too too late for India to reinvent the every wheel. Leaping directly to next-generation engines through strategic partnerships appears to be the most viable path for India's engine development sector.

On the side note: The same applies to Indian Airforce too.
 

Indian defense minster is pushing India to entering sixth generation engine technology asap..
There is an urgency india it appears recently

Rafale deal to be signed immenently
Massive push for next generation engines developement with European help
Even talk of Gcap and Fcas in future
It's all Europe now
India had told Russia no Su57 deal until the Ukraine war is over the want to avoid caatsa sanctions from USA
And definitely no USA fighters like F35

What's a 6th gen engine?
 
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Funny. Shouldn't India be pulling ahead since 1947. Why in 80s? Oh this is "Chinese" version of history. India and China were not "equal" in even in 80s. That's nonsense propagated to assuage various minds.
Maybe he was being kind?

Point is Chinese have achieved so much indigenously, this is one aspect


Only

It's incredible because you are meant to be peers, oh wait sorry, can't compare, but yea you should be similar enough in some areas, they are well ahead across the board. India has a ceiling in what it can achieve that it cannot admit.
 
Combining exercise report with the loss in May 25. SU-30 loss could be correct for May 25 events.

But, rest all is blatant lies. SU-30s weren’t allowed this and that.
Why would AFM tell blatant lies about such things? It’s just an exercise?
 
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Wasn’t Kaveri tested with after burner earlier too? What is different this time?

Modi had declared development of jet engine to be a national mission in his address to the nation from the Red Fort on 15 Aug last year. It took more than 70 years after independence to realise that development of a jet engine has to be a strategic programme of national importance. India should have started it along with its missile development program. It would have reached somewhere better than where we are now.
 
What's a 6th gen engine?

Not sure about engine generations, but the Tempest engine will focus on electrical power generation and variable cycle ..


The BAE Systems Tempest (GCAP) will feature advanced variable cycle engines developed by Rolls-Royce, designed to switch between high-efficiency, high-bypass modes for cruise and low-bypass modes for maximum supersonic combat thrust. These engines are integral to the 6th-gen fighter's needs, providing superior thermal management and massive electrical power for advanced avionics and laser weapons.
Key Features of the Tempest Variable Cycle Engine (VCE):
  • Adaptive Airflow: The engine utilizes adaptive bypass ducts to modulate airflow between the engine core and the bypass stream, allowing it to act like a fuel-efficient turbofan for cruising and a high-thrust turbojet for combat.
  • Performance Optimization: The design facilitates seamless transitions between subsonic, transonic, and supersonic flight modes, maximizing efficiency across a broader flight envelope.
  • High Power Generation: The engines are designed to support the massive electrical demands of 6th-generation systems, potentially utilizing two embedded starter-generators.
  • Thermal Management: To handle the high thermal loads of advanced weapon systems and avionics, the engines will feature advanced cooling and management systems, using fuel or air for cooling.
  • Stealth Integration: The engine design is optimized for low observability, with features likely including shielded rotating parts.
Rolls-Royce is developing this technology as part of the Team Tempest consortium, with a focus on advanced materials and intelligent power management.





( As per Google AI Search .)
 
Not sure about engine generations, but the Tempest engine will focus on electrical power generation and variable cycle ..


The BAE Systems Tempest (GCAP) will feature advanced variable cycle engines developed by Rolls-Royce, designed to switch between high-efficiency, high-bypass modes for cruise and low-bypass modes for maximum supersonic combat thrust. These engines are integral to the 6th-gen fighter's needs, providing superior thermal management and massive electrical power for advanced avionics and laser weapons.
Key Features of the Tempest Variable Cycle Engine (VCE):
  • Adaptive Airflow: The engine utilizes adaptive bypass ducts to modulate airflow between the engine core and the bypass stream, allowing it to act like a fuel-efficient turbofan for cruising and a high-thrust turbojet for combat.
  • Performance Optimization: The design facilitates seamless transitions between subsonic, transonic, and supersonic flight modes, maximizing efficiency across a broader flight envelope.
  • High Power Generation: The engines are designed to support the massive electrical demands of 6th-generation systems, potentially utilizing two embedded starter-generators.
  • Thermal Management: To handle the high thermal loads of advanced weapon systems and avionics, the engines will feature advanced cooling and management systems, using fuel or air for cooling.
  • Stealth Integration: The engine design is optimized for low observability, with features likely including shielded rotating parts.
Rolls-Royce is developing this technology as part of the Team Tempest consortium, with a focus on advanced materials and intelligent power management.





( As per Google AI Search .)
Yes this is good info, I was more wondering what our colleague understood a6th generation engine to be, without having a mature 4th generation and the fifth generation is just some PowerPoints as of now, but they want to make an engine for something they have no concept of
 
Wasn’t Kaveri tested with after burner earlier too? What is different this time?

Modi had declared development of jet engine to be a national mission in his address to the nation from the Red Fort on 15 Aug last year. It took more than 70 years after independence to realise that development of a jet engine has to be a strategic programme of national importance. India should have started it along with its missile development program. It would have reached somewhere better than where we are now.
If it took 70 years to realise then how long to deliver? 150 years?

I am not being as facetious as you think, but what sort of comment is this?

And if you are out of the game in engine production why even bother trying to catch up, because it is just such an uphill task
 
After india buying 114 Rafale, and if that actually happens.
Pakistan can take two different routes.
Invest in very advanced air defence, like USSR did against the west.
Or buy J-35 .
I am leaning towards a better Air defence system, and keep building more Thunder block 3
 
After india buying 114 Rafale, and if that actually happens.
Pakistan can take two different routes.
Invest in very advanced air defence, like USSR did against the west.
Or buy J-35 .
I am leaning towards a better Air defence system, and keep building more Thunder block 3
Pakistan should always focus on the system rather than the platforms. Upgrade as much as possible before increasing numbers.If more platforms are required, focus should be on Special mission aircraft, missiles and then fighters in that order.
 
Wasn’t Kaveri tested with after burner earlier too? What is different this time?

Modi had declared development of jet engine to be a national mission in his address to the nation from the Red Fort on 15 Aug last year. It took more than 70 years after independence to realise that development of a jet engine has to be a strategic programme of national importance. India should have started it along with its missile development program. It would have reached somewhere better than where we are now.
Tested with newly designed and manufactured afterburning section from BrahMos aerospace. Old one wasn't delivering enough thrust. Newer one is being tested but so far no data on it's thrust output. Would be fitted on Tejas for test flight.
What's a 6th gen engine?
 
If it took 70 years to realise then how long to deliver? 150 years?
It is a failure of our leaders. They have failed on many others areas too. Can’t do anything about it.

How long would it take to make one?

No idea.

And if you are out of the game in engine production why even bother trying to catch up, because it is just such an uphill task
Hmmm. That’s a very good suggestion. If one has failed in an area then one should never try again. Past failures would never allow one to succeed ever. Great idea. Let me write to Modi and pass on these pearls of wisdom from a well meaning well wisher.
 

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