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Isn’t Ghadir only able to stay submerged for less than a week continuously without recharging its oxygen and out at sea 15-30 days?

They might be on a one way mission at that point.
5 US destroyers are docked in Bahrain 200km away

only takes < 1 day to reach that target. they could even scatter and go quiet for 10 days, then attack, and return within 48 hours

15-30 days is plenty of time for 20 subs (who could take it in turns to go out) to cover the Persian Gulf
 
5 US destroyers are docked in Bahrain 200km away

only takes < 1 day to reach that target. they could even scatter and go quiet for 10 days, then attack, and return within 48 hours

15-30 days is plenty of time for 20 subs (who could take it in turns to go out) to cover the Persian Gulf

There will be no taking turns to “going out”. Before the war all submarines must leave and never come back, because there will be nothing to come back to. All naval bases along the coast will be struck and underground submarine bases hit. With UAVs watching the narrow PG to see if any surface for air or try to rearm.

Iran is relatively new in submarine warfare, they didn’t have a single submarine till the 1990’s. Iran is going up against a nation who has fought the 3 greatest submarine powers to ever exist: Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, and Soviet Union (with modern China being the strongest rival to ever exist currently).

The U.S. navy has 100 years of training against such forces.

I caution that sinking U.S. destroyers is not as easy as some on here think.
 
I caution that sinking U.S. destroyers is not as easy as some on here think.
who says they have to be sunk

just 1-2 small hits are enough to take it out of the battle

if you don't think Iran can achieve that against destroyers only 200km from its borders than you are going too far in the opposite direction of pessimism
 
who says they have to be sunk

just 1-2 small hits are enough to take it out of the battle

if you don't think Iran can achieve that against destroyers only 200km from its borders than you are going too far in the opposite direction of pessimism
At 200 km they're running a unacceptable risk. Combining slow moving Shaheds and cruise missiles with ballistic ones are extremely challenging to avoid. SM2/3 or 6 need to be guided by illuminators while Shaheds and cruise missiles can cope CIWS and ESSM.

If US Navy deployed those DDGs inside PG they seems to discard a open war against Irán. Because they know inside Persian Gulf even light Shaheds 101 can make the day to a DDG. Those small drones are guided by TV seeker and are virtually inmune to ECM.

They just deployed them to screen and shoot down ballistic barrages against Israel like additional ABM layer. But they're not deployed for a direct kinetic war against Irán. In few hours those DDG can consume most of their munitions and being naked to OWA drones.

As you said a Shahed 101 doesn't need to sink the ship. Just to hit the Spy1D radar and let blind the DDG against the real tread (Noor missiles). Hitting illuminators or even damaging VLS launchers or Mk45 gun will make the day with the DDG.
 
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use of Ghaem-118 air defence system in IRGC-N drills in Strait of Hormuz


How does Iran plan to handle F-22 and F-35 patrolling the Persian Gulf?

Speedboats, drones, and helicopters and yes even the Shahid Solemani warship all vulnerable with no reliable defense against 5th Gen fighters.

Assuming Iran can handle repelling 4th Gen fighters (hasn’t demonstrated this capability), protecting the coast and Persian gulf from 5th Gen fighters would be a challenge for even Russia or China in this case.
 
How does Iran plan to handle F-22 and F-35 patrolling the Persian Gulf?

Speedboats, drones, and helicopters and yes even the Shahid Solemani warship all vulnerable with no reliable defense against 5th Gen fighters.

Assuming Iran can handle repelling 4th Gen fighters (hasn’t demonstrated this capability), protecting th
In fact they did.

IRGC trained ground crews with Radars and TELARs to detect, track and "Illuminate" the targets. Even some sources recognizes that Irán was able to shoot down some active jammers (manufactured by Leonardo UK) called "BriteCloud".


So, we have some rumors that Irán was able at least to detect and track 5º gen aircrafts during 12 day war.

The exact technique and weaponry used to track them is unknown (IMO the best candidate would be Arman TELAR system, the newest and all in one vehicle SAM system incorpored).

Additionally IRGC can use other means. EO/IR seekers can also harass and even if they don´t reach enough speed to shoot down a F35 (Qaem has IR/EO system) at least in flight can harass and obstruct their missions. Azarakash can be used passively to protect not only Arman systems but also "ambush" in small islands like Lavan or Tunb any F35 patrolling.

If using these assets (F22, F35 and B2) were easy for sure US would no waste more time involed in a deal.
 
In fact they did.

IRGC trained ground crews with Radars and TELARs to detect, track and "Illuminate" the targets. Even some sources recognizes that Irán was able to shoot down some active jammers (manufactured by Leonardo UK) called "BriteCloud".

You know thats the purpose of britecloud...its an active decoy?

So, we have some rumors that Irán was able at least to detect and track 5º gen aircrafts during 12 day war.

The exact technique and weaponry used to track them is unknown (IMO the best candidate would be Arman TELAR system, the newest and all in one vehicle SAM system incorpored).

Additionally IRGC can use other means. EO/IR seekers can also harass and even if they don´t reach enough speed to shoot down a F35 (Qaem has IR/EO system) at least in flight can harass and obstruct their missions. Azarakash can be used passively to protect not only Arman systems but also "ambush" in small islands like Lavan or Tunb any F35 patrolling.

If using these assets (F22, F35 and B2) were easy for sure US would no waste more time involed in a deal.
Why do you have this delusional idea of invincibility? The israelis were able to walk into Iran, undetected, carry out their mission and leave unharmed...
 
They will sink naval ships right away
They are sitting ducks
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You know thats the purpose of britecloud...its an active decoy?


Why do you have this delusional idea of invincibility? The israelis were able to walk into Iran, undetected, carry out their mission and leave unharmed...
If they were undetected why to stop?. With USAF/US Navy F35 they could fly 24 hours inside Iranian airspace. Between them there are nearly 750 F35s operative.

Why on december 2025 US bought urgently active decoys.... For F35?. It is neither for F15/16/18... It is for F35.
 
In fact they did.

IRGC trained ground crews with Radars and TELARs to detect, track and "Illuminate" the targets. Even some sources recognizes that Irán was able to shoot down some active jammers (manufactured by Leonardo UK) called "BriteCloud".


BriteCloud is an active diversion system. You launch it to confuse the enemy and turn his focus elsewhere.

And we saw that Iran could track 4th Gen planes via video footage they released, but due to EW could not target them.

So, we have some rumors that Irán was able at least to detect and track 5º gen aircrafts during 12 day war.

“Rumors”

Also detecting a F-35 is not the same thing as being able to target lock onto it.

The exact technique and weaponry used to track them is unknown (IMO the best candidate would be Arman TELAR system, the newest and all in one vehicle SAM system incorpored).

Arman is a prototype, with no evidence anything more than a single battery group exists. It would likely be used in defense of Tehran not all the way in the south.

If using these assets (F22, F35 and B2) were easy for sure US would no waste more time involed in a deal.

I don’t think you realize how radar cross section works. Iran is not able to target lock an F-35 until it’s maybe 50KM a way from radar source or an F-22 until it’s 25KM away. This is ideal conditions. If the other side is using extensive jamming techniques and diversion tactics that’s another story. If the other side gets illuminated at a bad angle that works in Iran’s favor.

So for F-22/F-35 they merely have to keep this in mind and use stand off PGMs from 35-50KM away when they attack Shahid Solemani vessels and Kharg Island AD/Radars, after which the PG becomes relatively unguarded. The tomahawks from destroyers and carrier groups will attack radar spots and AD points near Iran’s shore and coastline.

After that is done than the planes have breathing room to fly even closer to Iran and then USAF can bring in more 4th Gen fighters to do sorties in the strait with F-22 providing protection. That will leave the speedboats and small surface vessels very vulnerable as you saw with how drug cartel speedboats did trying to evade the U.S. fleet around Venzenula.

The reason Us hasn’t attacked Iran till now is a combination of reluctant presidents and the proxies Iran had (Syria, HZ, Hamas, Houthis, Iraqi PMU), most of the groups are gone or severely weakened. Iran still retains considerable sabatoge capability. But against 300+ fighter jets flying 24/7, Iran’s IADS will not survive long and likely completely collapse within a week or two.

That is one reason I advocated for S-400/S-500 purchase and additional air defense purchases from Russia/China because I knew Iran’s air defense rings were still not saturated enough to go up against an opponent like the U.S. and that Bavar/Arman needed more time to get rate of production going.
 
BriteCloud is an active diversion system. You launch it to confuse the enemy and turn his focus elsewhere.

And we saw that Iran could track 4th Gen planes via video footage they released, but due to EW could not target them.



“Rumors”

Also detecting a F-35 is not the same thing as being able to target lock onto it.



Arman is a prototype, with no evidence anything more than a single battery group exists. It would likely be used in defense of Tehran not all the way in the south.



I don’t think you realize how radar cross section works. Iran is not able to target lock an F-35 until it’s maybe 50KM a way from radar source or an F-22 until it’s 25KM away. This is ideal conditions. If the other side is using extensive jamming techniques and diversion tactics that’s another story. If the other side gets illuminated at a bad angle that works in Iran’s favor.

So for F-22/F-35 they merely have to keep this in mind and use stand off PGMs from 35-50KM away when they attack Shahid Solemani vessels and Kharg Island AD/Radars, after which the PG becomes relatively unguarded. The tomahawks from destroyers and carrier groups will attack radar spots and AD points near Iran’s shore and coastline.

After that is done than the planes have breathing room to fly even closer to Iran and then USAF can bring in more 4th Gen fighters to do sorties in the strait with F-22 providing protection. That will leave the speedboats and small surface vessels very vulnerable as you saw with how drug cartel speedboats did trying to evade the U.S. fleet around Venzenula.

The reason Us hasn’t attacked Iran till now is a combination of reluctant presidents and the proxies Iran had (Syria, HZ, Hamas, Houthis, Iraqi PMU), most of the groups are gone or severely weakened. Iran still retains considerable sabatoge capability. But against 300+ fighter jets flying 24/7, Iran’s IADS will not survive long and likely completely collapse within a week or two.

That is one reason I advocated for S-400/S-500 purchase and additional air defense purchases from Russia/China because I knew Iran’s air defense rings were still not saturated enough to go up against an opponent like the U.S. and that Bavar/Arman needed more time to get rate of production going.
In your Hollywood Top Gun scenario, Buck Rogers saves America. Apparently, Iran will sit back, not level the bases and their command control centers to ashes that are 120 KM away. Tell me how these fancy planes stationed 1400 km away on aircraft carriers reach Iran, with a 600 km range? The same pieces were in play during the 12-day period, and Israel probably used 200+ 4-gen aircraft. Most of the damage after the initial shock was caused by drones. Good luck with that.
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