Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[tsunset]

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Straight cucks

They will never cease to impress us

 

[Ali_Baba]

UK has not given US permission to use RAF bases for Iran strikes​

UK has not given US permission to use RAF bases for Iran strikes

It comes as US President Donald Trump criticises Sir Keir Starmer's deal to hand over the Chagos Islands.

www.bbc.co.uk

The US has in the past used RAF Fairford, in Gloucestershire, and the UK overseas territory of Diego Garcia, in the Indian Ocean, to carry out strikes in the Middle East region.

RAF Fairford and other UK military bases were most recently used by the US in support of a military operation to seize the registered tanker known as Bella 1 earlier this year.

But that operation was carried out with the full support of the UK. At the time ministers said that the operations was justified under international law.

Questions of international law would likely be applied by the UK government in justifying support for any US military action in Iran.

Under a long-held agreement, the US would have to first request to use any UK sovereign military bases before conducting military operations.

Under international law, there is no distinction between a state carrying out the attack and those which have supported that state, if the latter has "knowledge of the circumstances of the internationally wrongful act".

In January, the BBC's political editor Chris Mason asked Sir Keir whether he supported a potential US strike on Iran.

"So far.. for Diego Garcia... " but permission will come, we all know this.

 

[Aryan_B]

Jews are masters of mind games. They literally have "debates" with god on how to circumvent his laws. They just the best Goyim (USA) to fight their middle eastern wars since 2001

went wrong for them in 1930s in Germany

 

[mythbuster]

It maybe a little 'offtopic' but I think you and most others in this forum have been missing the personal biases of global leadership. It is a crapshow since the Fall of the Soviet Union on a global scale: They are almost all amateurs, driven by their biases, lobbies. Just one example to refute your 'deeper state' and their so-called visionary, long term 'thinking': The Obama admin spent a lot of time and political resources to engineer the JCPOA with Iran and then comes Trump who, with flick of his pen, undid that. In case of Pakistan-India, they were near a historic deal by 2007/8 but then came Modi to India, undoing many years of 'Track Two Diplomacy'. A 'Third grade burglary' toppled a POTUS in the 70s while a lying BJ receiving POTUS remained in power in the 90s. Etc, etc, etc!

The clowns have taken over the global leadership since the Fall of the Soviet Union and the circus is getting worse and worse since the birth of the Smart Phone era. The clowns with personal biases manifesting as state policies, short attention span, of no fear of consequences for their actions...

This dude insinuating something else , I don't understand the purpose of your yada yada

 

[mangekyo]

I firmly believe that the overwhelming majority of Americans, including MADA voters, do not want the USA to start a war with Iran. If Trump does, and there are more than a few dozen American servicemen casualties, the Republicans will lose the US House of representatives this Fall, Trump will lose all possibility of carrying out his agenda for the remaining two years.

Given that, and that Iran has so completely botched its "nuclear bomb" deterrence, why not give up its nuclear ambition completely, in a huge public relations way. Go to the UN, declare no enrichment for 10 years, allow nuclear inspectors. Make it so that Trump "wins" this. Also go on a PR campaign within the USA talking to USA media and politicians 24/7 for a while. Drag out the implementation talks to the point that Trump cannot sustain the military build-up any longer. Give in on an inspection as a stop gap.

Iran would declare that missile program and middle east militia support discussions would be follow complete resolution of the nuclear program agreements and would be totally contingent on total sanctions relief and/or investments in Iran by others.

It seems to me that this could disarm Trump's imminent military threat and sway USA public opinion that the only real USA interest, diffusing a rogue nuclear state, had been achieved.

This would allow Iran to work on internal reforms that strengthened internal "legitimacy" as well as continued hardening of its missile program's deterrence against Israeli attack.

Khamenei would never allow such a deal. He is fighting an ideological war. All he needs to do is survive a couple more years. He will go down in history as he who resisted the western empire his entire life and never bowed down even once. He is not going to throw his legacy away this close to his death.

 

[Aryan_B]

So Israel using Gaza as testing ground and wanting US to use Iran as testing ground for US military (obviously they don't care to see shiny US toys, they want competition in region gone)

That is disturbing to wish death upon tens of thousands of innocent people for your selfish regional ambitions

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Notwithstanding what you say and whilst the Iranian leaders need kicking for not having nukes Iran does not to win the war just send enough body bags back to America. Unlikely but one carrier down and America and Americans will be crying dont forget what happened to Carter and his intervention in Iran

 

[maverick]

Zero. The PMU in Iraq publicly declared that they would not participate in any future conflict between Iran and the US. Another great investment by the Ayatollahs.

is Iranian public heavily armed like pakistan pakhtuns and balochs?

 

[maverick]

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israel just bombed them, are they still buddy buddy ?

 

[ShapurII]

is Iranian public heavily armed like pakistan pakhtuns and balochs?

The Lurs, Baluch and Arab people are armed but they would use those arms against the regime, if they think the opportunity for toppling the regime exists.

One of the most fatal places in January protests where Lur-majority cities for this very reason.

 

[Beast89]

israel just bombed them, are they still buddy buddy ?

Cucks, dignity is not in their vocabulary. They still want peace with jews who literally say we want greater Israel and your lands

 

[ShapurII]

I firmly believe that the overwhelming majority of Americans, including MADA voters, do not want the USA to start a war with Iran. If Trump does, and there are more than a few dozen American servicemen casualties, the Republicans will lose the US House of representatives this Fall, Trump will lose all possibility of carrying out his agenda for the remaining two years.

Given that, and that Iran has so completely botched its "nuclear bomb" deterrence, why not give up its nuclear ambition completely, in a huge public relations way. Go to the UN, declare no enrichment for 10 years, allow nuclear inspectors. Make it so that Trump "wins" this. Also go on a PR campaign within the USA talking to USA media and politicians 24/7 for a while. Drag out the implementation talks to the point that Trump cannot sustain the military build-up any longer. Give in on an inspection as a stop gap.

Iran would declare that missile program and middle east militia support discussions would be follow complete resolution of the nuclear program agreements and would be totally contingent on total sanctions relief and/or investments in Iran by others.

It seems to me that this could disarm Trump's imminent military threat and sway USA public opinion that the only real USA interest, diffusing a rogue nuclear state, had been achieved.

This would allow Iran to work on internal reforms that strengthened internal "legitimacy" as well as continued hardening of its missile program's deterrence against Israeli attack.

I cannot believe that I agree with you for the first time in years lol

Iran's nuclear program has reached a dead-end anyway. And Iranian militias in the Middle East have proven to be absolutely useless for Iran's security and have been severely weakened anyway. So, why keep them?

I think what prevents a deal at this point is Iran's ballistic missiles. The US destroyed critical components of Iran's nuclear program in June. Israel defeated Hezbollah a year ago and Assad was toppled in Syria about 2 years ago. The US wants to take care of the last remaining threat this time. Once it has been settled, the US will push for negotiations again, assuming the regime survives, and this time, Iran will be forced to accept all the 3 conditions (no nukes, no MRBMs, no militias) or risk war at a much weaker position again. This cycle will continue until full regime change or capitulation.

 

[bengalcdn]

Cucks, dignity is not in their vocabulary. They still want peace with jews who literally say we want greater Israel and your lands

Not only that but the Zionist are openly saying after Iran they will target Turkey and qatar

 

[Ali_Baba]

UK 'blocks US from using RAF bases to launch Iran strike - prompting anger from Trump'​

UK 'blocks US from using RAF bases to launch Iran strike

The disagreement over the use of the British military sites is behind Trump's withdrawal of his support for Sir Keir Starmer 's deal to hand over the Chagos Islands to Mauritius, a report has claimed.

www.dailymail.co.uk

>> I think both the UK and USA are engaged in a propaganda campaign to suggest that the attack is not coming this weekend to Iran and everyone else.

We will know what Iran thinks when it issues its NOTAMS.

 

[Shags101]

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is Iranian public heavily armed like pakistan pakhtuns and balochs?

i think that’s what the Basij are for technically 10s of millions of members but fairly sure if there was a war they could could count on hundreds of thousands to assist in a fight

 

[TruthSeeker]

I cannot believe that I agree with you for the first time in years lol

Iran's nuclear program has reached a dead-end anyway. And Iranian militias in the Middle East have proven to be absolutely useless for Iran's security and have been severely weakened anyway. So, why keep them?

I think what prevents a deal at this point is Iran's ballistic missiles. The US destroyed critical components of Iran's nuclear program in June. Israel defeated Hezbollah a year ago and Assad was toppled in Syria about 2 years ago. The US wants to take care of the last remaining threat this time. Once it has been settled, the US will push for negotiations again, assuming the regime survives, and this time, Iran will be forced to accept all the 3 conditions (no nukes, no MRBMs, no militias) or risk war at a much weaker position again. This cycle will continue until full regime change or capitulation.

I agree with what you say above, but my point was to diffuse the present USA force build-up. Most agree that Trump has to use these forces within a reasonably short time or withdraw them because of the expense/disruption to other defense missions keeping them in place causes. Therefore, Iran could "win" this round by staying Trump's hand via a loud and noisy "give-up" on the nuclear, and only the nuclear, aspect. True, the other issues would come back but midterm House/Senate elections are fast approaching, and Iran might dodge this bullet because of those results and/or other world events. Putting off this present attack seems to be worth giving up their "spent" nuclear card to me.