Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[mangekyo]

I firmly believe that the overwhelming majority of Americans, including MADA voters, do not want the USA to start a war with Iran. If Trump does, and there are more than a few dozen American servicemen casualties, the Republicans will lose the US House of representatives this Fall, Trump will lose all possibility of carrying out his agenda for the remaining two years.

Given that, and that Iran has so completely botched its "nuclear bomb" deterrence, why not give up its nuclear ambition completely, in a huge public relations way. Go to the UN, declare no enrichment for 10 years, allow nuclear inspectors. Make it so that Trump "wins" this. Also go on a PR campaign within the USA talking to USA media and politicians 24/7 for a while. Drag out the implementation talks to the point that Trump cannot sustain the military build-up any longer. Give in on an inspection as a stop gap.

Iran would declare that missile program and middle east militia support discussions would be follow complete resolution of the nuclear program agreements and would be totally contingent on total sanctions relief and/or investments in Iran by others.

It seems to me that this could disarm Trump's imminent military threat and sway USA public opinion that the only real USA interest, diffusing a rogue nuclear state, had been achieved.

This would allow Iran to work on internal reforms that strengthened internal "legitimacy" as well as continued hardening of its missile program's deterrence against Israeli attack.

Khamenei would never allow such a deal. He is fighting an ideological war. All he needs to do is survive a couple more years. He will go down in history as he who resisted the western empire his entire life and never bowed down even once. He is not going to throw his legacy away this close to his death.

 

[Aryan_B]

So Israel using Gaza as testing ground and wanting US to use Iran as testing ground for US military (obviously they don't care to see shiny US toys, they want competition in region gone)

That is disturbing to wish death upon tens of thousands of innocent people for your selfish regional ambitions

Notwithstanding what you say and whilst the Iranian leaders need kicking for not having nukes Iran does not to win the war just send enough body bags back to America. Unlikely but one carrier down and America and Americans will be crying dont forget what happened to Carter and his intervention in Iran

 

[maverick]

Zero. The PMU in Iraq publicly declared that they would not participate in any future conflict between Iran and the US. Another great investment by the Ayatollahs.

is Iranian public heavily armed like pakistan pakhtuns and balochs?

 

[maverick]

israel just bombed them, are they still buddy buddy ?

 

[ShapurII]

is Iranian public heavily armed like pakistan pakhtuns and balochs?

The Lurs, Baluch and Arab people are armed but they would use those arms against the regime, if they think the opportunity for toppling the regime exists.

One of the most fatal places in January protests where Lur-majority cities for this very reason.

 

[Beast89]

israel just bombed them, are they still buddy buddy ?

Cucks, dignity is not in their vocabulary. They still want peace with jews who literally say we want greater Israel and your lands

 

[ShapurII]

I firmly believe that the overwhelming majority of Americans, including MADA voters, do not want the USA to start a war with Iran. If Trump does, and there are more than a few dozen American servicemen casualties, the Republicans will lose the US House of representatives this Fall, Trump will lose all possibility of carrying out his agenda for the remaining two years.

Given that, and that Iran has so completely botched its "nuclear bomb" deterrence, why not give up its nuclear ambition completely, in a huge public relations way. Go to the UN, declare no enrichment for 10 years, allow nuclear inspectors. Make it so that Trump "wins" this. Also go on a PR campaign within the USA talking to USA media and politicians 24/7 for a while. Drag out the implementation talks to the point that Trump cannot sustain the military build-up any longer. Give in on an inspection as a stop gap.

Iran would declare that missile program and middle east militia support discussions would be follow complete resolution of the nuclear program agreements and would be totally contingent on total sanctions relief and/or investments in Iran by others.

It seems to me that this could disarm Trump's imminent military threat and sway USA public opinion that the only real USA interest, diffusing a rogue nuclear state, had been achieved.

This would allow Iran to work on internal reforms that strengthened internal "legitimacy" as well as continued hardening of its missile program's deterrence against Israeli attack.

I cannot believe that I agree with you for the first time in years lol

Iran's nuclear program has reached a dead-end anyway. And Iranian militias in the Middle East have proven to be absolutely useless for Iran's security and have been severely weakened anyway. So, why keep them?

I think what prevents a deal at this point is Iran's ballistic missiles. The US destroyed critical components of Iran's nuclear program in June. Israel defeated Hezbollah a year ago and Assad was toppled in Syria about 2 years ago. The US wants to take care of the last remaining threat this time. Once it has been settled, the US will push for negotiations again, assuming the regime survives, and this time, Iran will be forced to accept all the 3 conditions (no nukes, no MRBMs, no militias) or risk war at a much weaker position again. This cycle will continue until full regime change or capitulation.

 

[bengalcdn]

Cucks, dignity is not in their vocabulary. They still want peace with jews who literally say we want greater Israel and your lands

Not only that but the Zionist are openly saying after Iran they will target Turkey and qatar

 

[Ali_Baba]

UK 'blocks US from using RAF bases to launch Iran strike - prompting anger from Trump'​

UK 'blocks US from using RAF bases to launch Iran strike

The disagreement over the use of the British military sites is behind Trump's withdrawal of his support for Sir Keir Starmer 's deal to hand over the Chagos Islands to Mauritius, a report has claimed.

www.dailymail.co.uk

>> I think both the UK and USA are engaged in a propaganda campaign to suggest that the attack is not coming this weekend to Iran and everyone else.

We will know what Iran thinks when it issues its NOTAMS.

 

[Shags101]

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is Iranian public heavily armed like pakistan pakhtuns and balochs?

i think that’s what the Basij are for technically 10s of millions of members but fairly sure if there was a war they could could count on hundreds of thousands to assist in a fight

 

[TruthSeeker]

I cannot believe that I agree with you for the first time in years lol

Iran's nuclear program has reached a dead-end anyway. And Iranian militias in the Middle East have proven to be absolutely useless for Iran's security and have been severely weakened anyway. So, why keep them?

I think what prevents a deal at this point is Iran's ballistic missiles. The US destroyed critical components of Iran's nuclear program in June. Israel defeated Hezbollah a year ago and Assad was toppled in Syria about 2 years ago. The US wants to take care of the last remaining threat this time. Once it has been settled, the US will push for negotiations again, assuming the regime survives, and this time, Iran will be forced to accept all the 3 conditions (no nukes, no MRBMs, no militias) or risk war at a much weaker position again. This cycle will continue until full regime change or capitulation.

I agree with what you say above, but my point was to diffuse the present USA force build-up. Most agree that Trump has to use these forces within a reasonably short time or withdraw them because of the expense/disruption to other defense missions keeping them in place causes. Therefore, Iran could "win" this round by staying Trump's hand via a loud and noisy "give-up" on the nuclear, and only the nuclear, aspect. True, the other issues would come back but midterm House/Senate elections are fast approaching, and Iran might dodge this bullet because of those results and/or other world events. Putting off this present attack seems to be worth giving up their "spent" nuclear card to me.

 

[mythbuster]

I cannot believe that I agree with you for the first time in years lol

Iran's nuclear program has reached a dead-end anyway. And Iranian militias in the Middle East have proven to be absolutely useless for Iran's security and have been severely weakened anyway. So, why keep them?

I think what prevents a deal at this point is Iran's ballistic missiles. The US destroyed critical components of Iran's nuclear program in June. Israel defeated Hezbollah a year ago and Assad was toppled in Syria about 2 years ago. The US wants to take care of the last remaining threat this time. Once it has been settled, the US will push for negotiations again, assuming the regime survives, and this time, Iran will be forced to accept all the 3 conditions (no nukes, no MRBMs, no militias) or risk war at a much weaker position again. This cycle will continue until full regime change or capitulation.

Political theatre for the galleries aside , Iran has already capitulated in principle...no nukes ...done ....no militias , done .....range of missiles and verification process are the only irritants... there are reasonable chances something will be worked out.

 

[Immortals]

Does that account have a credible history? I'm not on Twitter much.

He’s done a good job covering the Ukraine war as impartially as you can expect from a Pro-Western OSINT page.

It’s unusual for him to make such claim. Usually only covers Russia-Ukraine.

 

[ShapurII]

Political theatre for the galleries aside , Iran has already capitulated in principle...no nukes ...done ....no militias , done .....range of missiles and verification process are the only irritants... there are reasonable chances something will be worked out.

The IRGC would never give up on their MRBMs and I can understand why. Because it is Iran's only deterrence at this point.
Iran lacks capable armed forces. Our air force, navy and ground forces still use many of the equipment bought during the Pahlavi era. Iran's ballistic missiles are all that Iran has at this point.

To resolve this issue, Iran needs some sort of guarantee that it won't need to use our MRBMs. In other words, Iran needs some sort of normalization with both the United States and Israel, which seems impossible with the current system in power, particularly with the IRGC.

So, in addition to our ballistic missiles, expect the IRGC and anti-Israel factions inside Iran to be hit really hard in the near future. I think the oligarchy in Iran would love the normalization of ties with the US and the West, even if it means to give Israel some sort of recognition, or security guarantees.

 

[Immortals]

Political theatre for the galleries aside , Iran has already capitulated in principle...no nukes ...done ....no militias , done .....range of missiles and verification process are the only irritants... there are reasonable chances something will be worked out.

Assad also gave up his chemical weapons program and Russia verified the process.

Where is Assad now?

Assad, Ghaddafi, Saddam.

Iran would be foolish to think “this time is different”. Unless Iran has reached its Soviet Union 1991 implosion moment.