Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Meengla]

Khamenei seems extreme ideological Islamist + Russophile. His actions have no parallel anywhere before.

Iran, from 1979 revolution onward, could have learned a lot from a Pakistan of January 1972 (after the Fall of Dhaka) onwards despite the disparities in human and natural resources between the two nations where the Iranians were/are way ahead of Pakistan: Keep head down and don't loud mouth, strengthen defense, don't annoy a Superpower, find and make reliable allies, know who is your real enemy, allow enough dissent and democracy, don't do social suffocation...
I dare say Iran would be the greatest power in the Middle East even surpassing Israel if saner policies were followed.

 

[Mujhe-Kyun-Tora]

When the war starts, Tel Aviv and the rest of the Jewish cities will definitely be bombed. I just hope that this time there will be no mercy and that their cities will be crushed and turned into Gaza

Everything is fair in war. Use that 3 million jews of isfahan wisely .
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Those jews will eventually sides with israel if iranian regime collapse . So use them wisely.

 

[mangekyo]

Assuming no ME countries baring Israel allow use of their territory, refuelers will operate out of Cyprus and Diego Garcia. That indeed logistically limits how often planes can be refueled. The carriers will likely stay out of SRBM ranges do easily 1000km off again dont make it a feasible around the clock strikes. Iran is a big country you wont get 24-7 aircoverage over Iran.

Jordan will provide them with a base and airspace

 

[Watandar]

Jordan will provide them with a base and airspace

Syria too. They will likely operate over Lebanon and Iraq without asking for permission.

 

[Meengla]

We have to fight back at some point or face some form of a destructive effect such as break-up, civil war and failed state. They have essentially made it easy for us to choose war. We must make this war costly....that's only way out.

The "only way out" is still a powerful tool Iran has: The Israelis are the one who are really pushing for a frontal war between Iran and America and the Israelis, on a national level, know that they would face some death and destruction but the Israelis are willing to bear the cost for long term gains. Even 5000 Israeli dead and much destruction, the Israelis deep down know that it would be worth it.
The Americans?? It is a different story to accept dozens, if not hundreds, if not thousands, of bodybags brought to US AFBases for a war waged without evening 'manufacturing consent' and waged by a 'peace' President. Trump's Achilees Heel are the American bodybags!

 

[ToddE]

Iran, from 1979 revolution onward, could have learned a lot from a Pakistan of January 1972 (after the Fall of Dhaka) onwards despite the disparities in human and natural resources between the two nations where the Iranians were/are way ahead of Pakistan: Keep head down and don't loud mouth, strengthen defense, don't annoy a Superpower, find and make reliable allies, know who is your real enemy, allow enough dissent and democracy, don't do social suffocation...
I dare say Iran would be the greatest power in the Middle East even surpassing Israel if saner policies were followed.

Deeper states of superpowers do not operate based upon who talks on podiums and who keeps their heads down. They are not fools that just because some country decides to appease west to save its neck, they would allow it to do as it pleases in return. If they would have seen actual strategic threat, they would have neutralize it instead of funding the financially crippled state through IMF and WB and what not.

 

[TruthSeeker]

I firmly believe that the overwhelming majority of Americans, including MADA voters, do not want the USA to start a war with Iran. If Trump does, and there are more than a few dozen American servicemen casualties, the Republicans will lose the US House of representatives this Fall, Trump will lose all possibility of carrying out his agenda for the remaining two years.

Given that, and that Iran has so completely botched its "nuclear bomb" deterrence, why not give up its nuclear ambition completely, in a huge public relations way. Go to the UN, declare no enrichment for 10 years, allow nuclear inspectors. Make it so that Trump "wins" this. Also go on a PR campaign within the USA talking to USA media and politicians 24/7 for a while. Drag out the implementation talks to the point that Trump cannot sustain the military build-up any longer. Give in on an inspection as a stop gap.

Iran would declare that missile program and middle east militia support discussions would be follow complete resolution of the nuclear program agreements and would be totally contingent on total sanctions relief and/or investments in Iran by others.

It seems to me that this could disarm Trump's imminent military threat and sway USA public opinion that the only real USA interest, diffusing a rogue nuclear state, had been achieved.

This would allow Iran to work on internal reforms that strengthened internal "legitimacy" as well as continued hardening of its missile program's deterrence against Israeli attack.

 

[Ali_Baba]

I firmly believe that the overwhelming majority of Americans, including MADA voters, do not want the USA to start a war with Iran.

It does not matter what American people want, they are totally irrelevant in this. What matters is the wishes of the paymasters of both the Senate and Congress and also Miriam Adelson.

If Trump does, and there are more than a few dozen American servicemen casualties, the Republicans will lose the US House of representatives this Fall, Trump will lose all possibility of carrying out his agenda for the remaining two years.

Trump knows he will lose regardless, and this is all to pay off promises he made to Miriam Adelson to attack Iran.

Given that, and that Iran has so completely botched its "nuclear bomb" deterrence, why not give up its nuclear ambition completely, in a huge public relations way.

It has already, that is why it signed the JCPOA ...

Go to the UN, declare no enrichment for 10 years, allow nuclear inspectors.

All its sites were under full IAEA inspection already ....

Make it so that Trump "wins" this. Also go on a PR campaign within the USA talking to USA media and politicians 24/7 for a while. Drag out the implementation talks to the point that Trump cannot sustain the military build-up any longer. Give in on an inspection as a stop gap.

The decision has already been made, Trump is in execution mode.

Iran would declare that missile program and middle east militia support discussions would be follow complete resolution of the nuclear program agreements and would be totally contingent on total sanctions relief and/or investments in Iran by others.

What does the missile program have to do with anything?

It seems to me that this could disarm Trump's imminent military threat and sway USA public opinion that the only real USA interest, diffusing a rogue nuclear state, had been achieved.

This would allow Iran to work on internal reforms that strengthened internal "legitimacy" as well as continued hardening of its missile program's deterrence against Israeli attack.

Miriam Adelson will not allow him, nor will the paymasters of both the Senate and Congress.

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[Meengla]

Deeper states of superpowers do not operate based upon who talks on podiums and who keeps their heads down. They are not fools that just because some country decides to appease west to save its neck, they would allow it to do as it pleases in return. If they would have seen actual strategic threat, they would have neutralize it instead of funding the financially crippled state through IMF and WB and what not.

It maybe a little 'offtopic' but I think you and most others in this forum have been missing the personal biases of global leadership. It is a crapshow since the Fall of the Soviet Union on a global scale: They are almost all amateurs, driven by their biases, lobbies. Just one example to refute your 'deeper state' and their so-called visionary, long term 'thinking': The Obama admin spent a lot of time and political resources to engineer the JCPOA with Iran and then comes Trump who, with flick of his pen, undid that. In case of Pakistan-India, they were near a historic deal by 2007/8 but then came Modi to India, undoing many years of 'Track Two Diplomacy'. A 'Third grade burglary' toppled a POTUS in the 70s while a lying BJ receiving POTUS remained in power in the 90s. Etc, etc, etc!

The clowns have taken over the global leadership since the Fall of the Soviet Union and the circus is getting worse and worse since the birth of the Smart Phone era. The clowns with personal biases manifesting as state policies, short attention span, of no fear of consequences for their actions...

 

[mythbuster]

Deeper states of superpowers do not operate based upon who talks on podiums and who keeps their heads down. They are not fools that just because some country decides to appease west to save its neck, they would allow it to do as it pleases in return. If they would have seen actual strategic threat, they would have neutralize it instead of funding the financially crippled state through IMF and WB and what not.

You believe you are a strategic threat to America ? If so, America has every right to remove this threat ..... it's your hubris that's bitting you in your butts

 

[tsunset]

Straight cucks

They will never cease to impress us

 

[Ali_Baba]

UK has not given US permission to use RAF bases for Iran strikes​

UK has not given US permission to use RAF bases for Iran strikes

It comes as US President Donald Trump criticises Sir Keir Starmer's deal to hand over the Chagos Islands.

www.bbc.co.uk

The US has in the past used RAF Fairford, in Gloucestershire, and the UK overseas territory of Diego Garcia, in the Indian Ocean, to carry out strikes in the Middle East region.

RAF Fairford and other UK military bases were most recently used by the US in support of a military operation to seize the registered tanker known as Bella 1 earlier this year.

But that operation was carried out with the full support of the UK. At the time ministers said that the operations was justified under international law.

Questions of international law would likely be applied by the UK government in justifying support for any US military action in Iran.

Under a long-held agreement, the US would have to first request to use any UK sovereign military bases before conducting military operations.

Under international law, there is no distinction between a state carrying out the attack and those which have supported that state, if the latter has "knowledge of the circumstances of the internationally wrongful act".

In January, the BBC's political editor Chris Mason asked Sir Keir whether he supported a potential US strike on Iran.

"So far.. for Diego Garcia... " but permission will come, we all know this.

 

[Aryan_B]

Jews are masters of mind games. They literally have "debates" with god on how to circumvent his laws. They just the best Goyim (USA) to fight their middle eastern wars since 2001

went wrong for them in 1930s in Germany

 

[mythbuster]

It maybe a little 'offtopic' but I think you and most others in this forum have been missing the personal biases of global leadership. It is a crapshow since the Fall of the Soviet Union on a global scale: They are almost all amateurs, driven by their biases, lobbies. Just one example to refute your 'deeper state' and their so-called visionary, long term 'thinking': The Obama admin spent a lot of time and political resources to engineer the JCPOA with Iran and then comes Trump who, with flick of his pen, undid that. In case of Pakistan-India, they were near a historic deal by 2007/8 but then came Modi to India, undoing many years of 'Track Two Diplomacy'. A 'Third grade burglary' toppled a POTUS in the 70s while a lying BJ receiving POTUS remained in power in the 90s. Etc, etc, etc!

The clowns have taken over the global leadership since the Fall of the Soviet Union and the circus is getting worse and worse since the birth of the Smart Phone era. The clowns with personal biases manifesting as state policies, short attention span, of no fear of consequences for their actions...

This dude insinuating something else , I don't understand the purpose of your yada yada