Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

He's the reason we're weak and vulnerable...for future reference we shouldn't let a cleric with zero geopolitical experience dictate policy.

i agree with you in major reforms...I think even the insiders know this....they will divorce the country from cleric rule once the old man is dead. I'm sure of it. Did you by chance see the article about the return if Shamkhani? It came out 2 days ago....he's not as smart as he thinks he is either...but its a step up from where we are now...with clerics in the security council, and intelligence, judiciary..etc. They need to be returned to mosques and warned fo shut up and stay out of politics...or be jailed one by one.

People with religious ideology make poor decision makers on the international stage. We need to get rid of the clergy, period.
This isn't the first time that Iran's existence and national interests are threatened by the clergy. We lost one-third of our territories to Russia because the clergy hyped up the Qajars to fight one war after another with the Tsarist Russia.

 

[Watandar]

what are the chances of iran using iraqi proxies to infiltrate into jordan to attack these bases ?

I think that's why the A10s were moved to Mideast in the first place.

 

[ShapurII]

what are the chances of iran using iraqi proxies to infiltrate into jordan to attack these bases ?

Zero. The PMU in Iraq publicly declared that they would not participate in any future conflict between Iran and the US. Another great investment by the Ayatollahs.

 

[kastor ville]

Folks....here's some truths that cannot be forgotten:
1. Iran is being slowly destroyed...surprise attacks, assassinations, economic strangulation
2. Trump doesn't want a long, bloody, costly war...he likes quick, clean victories.
3. We have to fight back at some point or face some form of a destructive effect such as break-up, civil war and failed state. They have essentially made it easy for us to choose war. We must make this war costly....that's the only way out.
4. The first 12 hours we have to retain the ability to fire BMs, CMs and drones.
5. Iran needs to dispatch foreign office officials to Europe to be able to tell Iran's side of the story after the war breaks out...we need to use the news platforms to prevent only one side of the story getting out.
Remember the old saying:
when there is no way out, the only way out is to go deeper.

 

[Meengla]

Khamenei seems extreme ideological Islamist + Russophile. His actions have no parallel anywhere before.

Iran, from 1979 revolution onward, could have learned a lot from a Pakistan of January 1972 (after the Fall of Dhaka) onwards despite the disparities in human and natural resources between the two nations where the Iranians were/are way ahead of Pakistan: Keep head down and don't loud mouth, strengthen defense, don't annoy a Superpower, find and make reliable allies, know who is your real enemy, allow enough dissent and democracy, don't do social suffocation...
I dare say Iran would be the greatest power in the Middle East even surpassing Israel if saner policies were followed.

 

[Mujhe-Kyun-Tora]

When the war starts, Tel Aviv and the rest of the Jewish cities will definitely be bombed. I just hope that this time there will be no mercy and that their cities will be crushed and turned into Gaza

Everything is fair in war. Use that 3 million jews of isfahan wisely .
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Those jews will eventually sides with israel if iranian regime collapse . So use them wisely.

 

[mangekyo]

Assuming no ME countries baring Israel allow use of their territory, refuelers will operate out of Cyprus and Diego Garcia. That indeed logistically limits how often planes can be refueled. The carriers will likely stay out of SRBM ranges do easily 1000km off again dont make it a feasible around the clock strikes. Iran is a big country you wont get 24-7 aircoverage over Iran.

Jordan will provide them with a base and airspace

 

[Watandar]

Jordan will provide them with a base and airspace

Syria too. They will likely operate over Lebanon and Iraq without asking for permission.

 

[Meengla]

We have to fight back at some point or face some form of a destructive effect such as break-up, civil war and failed state. They have essentially made it easy for us to choose war. We must make this war costly....that's only way out.

The "only way out" is still a powerful tool Iran has: The Israelis are the one who are really pushing for a frontal war between Iran and America and the Israelis, on a national level, know that they would face some death and destruction but the Israelis are willing to bear the cost for long term gains. Even 5000 Israeli dead and much destruction, the Israelis deep down know that it would be worth it.
The Americans?? It is a different story to accept dozens, if not hundreds, if not thousands, of bodybags brought to US AFBases for a war waged without evening 'manufacturing consent' and waged by a 'peace' President. Trump's Achilees Heel are the American bodybags!

 

[ToddE]

Iran, from 1979 revolution onward, could have learned a lot from a Pakistan of January 1972 (after the Fall of Dhaka) onwards despite the disparities in human and natural resources between the two nations where the Iranians were/are way ahead of Pakistan: Keep head down and don't loud mouth, strengthen defense, don't annoy a Superpower, find and make reliable allies, know who is your real enemy, allow enough dissent and democracy, don't do social suffocation...
I dare say Iran would be the greatest power in the Middle East even surpassing Israel if saner policies were followed.

Deeper states of superpowers do not operate based upon who talks on podiums and who keeps their heads down. They are not fools that just because some country decides to appease west to save its neck, they would allow it to do as it pleases in return. If they would have seen actual strategic threat, they would have neutralize it instead of funding the financially crippled state through IMF and WB and what not.

 

[TruthSeeker]

I firmly believe that the overwhelming majority of Americans, including MADA voters, do not want the USA to start a war with Iran. If Trump does, and there are more than a few dozen American servicemen casualties, the Republicans will lose the US House of representatives this Fall, Trump will lose all possibility of carrying out his agenda for the remaining two years.

Given that, and that Iran has so completely botched its "nuclear bomb" deterrence, why not give up its nuclear ambition completely, in a huge public relations way. Go to the UN, declare no enrichment for 10 years, allow nuclear inspectors. Make it so that Trump "wins" this. Also go on a PR campaign within the USA talking to USA media and politicians 24/7 for a while. Drag out the implementation talks to the point that Trump cannot sustain the military build-up any longer. Give in on an inspection as a stop gap.

Iran would declare that missile program and middle east militia support discussions would be follow complete resolution of the nuclear program agreements and would be totally contingent on total sanctions relief and/or investments in Iran by others.

It seems to me that this could disarm Trump's imminent military threat and sway USA public opinion that the only real USA interest, diffusing a rogue nuclear state, had been achieved.

This would allow Iran to work on internal reforms that strengthened internal "legitimacy" as well as continued hardening of its missile program's deterrence against Israeli attack.

 

[Ali_Baba]

I firmly believe that the overwhelming majority of Americans, including MADA voters, do not want the USA to start a war with Iran.

It does not matter what American people want, they are totally irrelevant in this. What matters is the wishes of the paymasters of both the Senate and Congress and also Miriam Adelson.

If Trump does, and there are more than a few dozen American servicemen casualties, the Republicans will lose the US House of representatives this Fall, Trump will lose all possibility of carrying out his agenda for the remaining two years.

Trump knows he will lose regardless, and this is all to pay off promises he made to Miriam Adelson to attack Iran.

Given that, and that Iran has so completely botched its "nuclear bomb" deterrence, why not give up its nuclear ambition completely, in a huge public relations way.

It has already, that is why it signed the JCPOA ...

Go to the UN, declare no enrichment for 10 years, allow nuclear inspectors.

All its sites were under full IAEA inspection already ....

Make it so that Trump "wins" this. Also go on a PR campaign within the USA talking to USA media and politicians 24/7 for a while. Drag out the implementation talks to the point that Trump cannot sustain the military build-up any longer. Give in on an inspection as a stop gap.

The decision has already been made, Trump is in execution mode.

Iran would declare that missile program and middle east militia support discussions would be follow complete resolution of the nuclear program agreements and would be totally contingent on total sanctions relief and/or investments in Iran by others.

What does the missile program have to do with anything?

It seems to me that this could disarm Trump's imminent military threat and sway USA public opinion that the only real USA interest, diffusing a rogue nuclear state, had been achieved.

This would allow Iran to work on internal reforms that strengthened internal "legitimacy" as well as continued hardening of its missile program's deterrence against Israeli attack.

Miriam Adelson will not allow him, nor will the paymasters of both the Senate and Congress.

 

[Persian Gulf]

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[Meengla]

Deeper states of superpowers do not operate based upon who talks on podiums and who keeps their heads down. They are not fools that just because some country decides to appease west to save its neck, they would allow it to do as it pleases in return. If they would have seen actual strategic threat, they would have neutralize it instead of funding the financially crippled state through IMF and WB and what not.

It maybe a little 'offtopic' but I think you and most others in this forum have been missing the personal biases of global leadership. It is a crapshow since the Fall of the Soviet Union on a global scale: They are almost all amateurs, driven by their biases, lobbies. Just one example to refute your 'deeper state' and their so-called visionary, long term 'thinking': The Obama admin spent a lot of time and political resources to engineer the JCPOA with Iran and then comes Trump who, with flick of his pen, undid that. In case of Pakistan-India, they were near a historic deal by 2007/8 but then came Modi to India, undoing many years of 'Track Two Diplomacy'. A 'Third grade burglary' toppled a POTUS in the 70s while a lying BJ receiving POTUS remained in power in the 90s. Etc, etc, etc!

The clowns have taken over the global leadership since the Fall of the Soviet Union and the circus is getting worse and worse since the birth of the Smart Phone era. The clowns with personal biases manifesting as state policies, short attention span, of no fear of consequences for their actions...

 

[mythbuster]

Deeper states of superpowers do not operate based upon who talks on podiums and who keeps their heads down. They are not fools that just because some country decides to appease west to save its neck, they would allow it to do as it pleases in return. If they would have seen actual strategic threat, they would have neutralize it instead of funding the financially crippled state through IMF and WB and what not.

You believe you are a strategic threat to America ? If so, America has every right to remove this threat ..... it's your hubris that's bitting you in your butts