Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Persian Gulf]

The Pakistani PM Shahbaz bootlicking Trump to get the 70+ F-16s fleet upgraded to counter Pakistan's one real enemy, which is large and powerful and is Pakistan's neighbor on a long border. Pakistanis are pragmatic people: When needed, they blocked the American supplies to Afghanistan for months and also supported the Afghan Taliban who were killing the American troops in Afghanistan.
Pakistanis know who their real enemy is and never lose sight of that and never they should!

I understand why he said it and why he needs Trump on his good side

I also understand why Iranians didn't like his comments

 

[Meengla]

Bessent openly admitted engineering the currency crash and took credit for sparking the protests, ex head of the CIA openly bragged that Mossad agents are controlling the riots on the ground in Iran. But our friend @ShapurII, who is otherwise rational and patriotic, cannot seem to acknowledge this.

Bessent, yes, thank you for pointing him out--I was referring to him in my post above.

 

[ShapurII]

what exactly do you think the sanctions are designed to do...?

They were designed to weaken Iran. And the Ayatollahs seemed absolutely OK with it as long as they could remain in power. Otherwise, why would you accept 25 years of "strategic patience" when they are strangling you to death?

But again, let's not forget that Iran's currency devaluation has been a thing long before sanctions started. Even when we were on good terms with Europe during Khatami's era, our currency devalued consistently.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Bro, open your eyes and see that your president's son is a pan-Turk who loves Turkey more than even Turkish citizens. He would happily hand over Tabriz to Turkey if he could.

I don't know what will happen if Pahlavi comes to power, but I know for sure, 100%, that this path that we are on will lead to the complete fall of Iran as a nation. This regime cannot lead Iran as it is. It is an obvious fact.

So, the chance of the Balkanization of Iran with Pahlavi, whatever it is, is still lower than the chance of this regime staying in power.

who cares what his son wants? he doesn't make decisions or reflect the views of Iranians. my aunt (Persian) lives in Tabriz and has an Azeri-Iranian husband. so what? they are both Iranian patriots.

I would rather have IRI in power than balkanisation of Iran. hell, I would rather have MEK in power than balkanisation of Iran.

 

[ShapurII]

who cares what his son wants? he doesn't make decisions or reflect the views of Iranians. my aunt (Persian) lives in Tabriz and has an Azeri-Iranian husband. so what? they are both Iranian patriots.

I would rather have IRI in power than balkanisation of Iran. hell, I would rather have MEK in power than balkanisation of Iran.

The problem is not with Azeri people of Iran. Most of them, the overwhelming majority of them, are patriotic and faithful to Iran, but you know who Pezeshkian and his close circle are.

Heck, Aliyev helped Israel kill our previous president and Pezeshkian is so obsessed with him that he either has to personally visit him every month or so or lick his balls over phone calls regularly.

In that case, trust me, nobody is bringing our country closer to Balkanization than the Islamic Republic.

 

[Persian Gulf]

They were designed to weaken Iran. And the Ayatollahs seemed absolutely OK with it as long as they could remain in power. Otherwise, why would you accept 25 years of "strategic patience" when they are strangling you to death?

But again, let's not forget that Iran's currency devaluation has been a thing long before sanctions started. Even when we were on good terms with Europe during Khatami's era, our currency devalued consistently.

weaken Iran, how? by harming the exchange rate?

you can clearly see the rapid decline in the value of the rial take effect from around 2006 (with UNSC sanctions) and then in 2011-2012, with Hillary Clinton's famous sanctions package

 

[mangekyo]

the US didn't invest billions in media wars for nothing. they succeeded in brainwashing millions of young Iranians. sad.

Their inorganic movement can’t even produce slogans. Its just Javid shah, kose nanat, we are persians, not Muslims.

 

[Beast89]

Oh really?

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Scott Bassent's will be more ruthless when it comes to economic warfare because he's gay married to a man and has to prove himself to the republicans. He is psychopathic.

 

[Persian Gulf]

The problem is not with Azeri people of Iran. Most of them, the overwhelming majority of them, are patriotic and faithful to Iran, but you know who Pezeshkian and his close circle are.

Heck, Aliyev helped Israel kill our previous president and Pezeshkian is so obsessed with him that he either has to personally visit him every month or so or lick his balls over phone calls regularly.

In that case, trust me, nobody is bringing our country closer to Balkanization than the Islamic Republic.

I think Pezeshkian is a decent man (did not remarry after losing his wife) but incompetent politician who is better as a doctor than a politician. He reminds me of Ben Carson (the American brain surgeon who came across as retarded in every debate).

If we can have good relations with Azerbaijan to limit Israel's ability to use it as a base against us, that is worth pursuing. And we can't fight everyone at once. Let's figure out a way to survive Israel and the US before we focus on smaller issues like Aliyev pushing his luck with us and being best friends with Israel, Iraq refusing to pay their debts to us, and Taliban limiting our water rights.

 

[ShapurII]

weaken Iran, how? by harming the exchange rate?

you can clearly see the rapid decline in the value of the rial take effect from around 2006 (with UNSC sanctions) and then in 2011-2012, with Hillary Clinton's famous sanctions package

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The chart is very misleading since you are dealing with exponential growth. Whenever you are dealing with exponential growth, recent history looks dominant because the gap between numbers gets larger. Take the logarithm of that chart and you will have a much better picture.

It's quite easy actually. In 1979, 1 USD was about 70 IRR. 1 USD is about 1,628,000 IRR now. Calculate its geometric mean and you will see that USD has appreciated against our currency by 23% per annum, on average. So, this has been an ongoing situation for 47 years. And it is only getting worse because the oligarchy in Iran is getting more powerful and greedy.

Sanctions do play a role, but nothing like what is happening in Iran. Russia is under tougher sanctions but it hasn't experienced anything like us.

 

[Meengla]

And the Ayatollahs seemed absolutely OK with it as long as they could remain in power. Otherwise, why would you accept 25 years of "strategic patience" when they are strangling you to death?

But again, let's not forget that Iran's currency devaluation has been a thing long before sanctions started. Even when we were on good terms with Europe during Khatami's era, our currency devalued consistently.

You and apparently many others in this thread are missing the crucial events starting early 2025: Iran's deterrence via its allies in Gaza, Lebanon and Syria greatly degraded and thus there are even harsher financial measures being applied, including browbeating the EU to declare IIRG a 'terrorist' organization and open military attacks.

There are now qualitative and quantitative measures against Iran unlike they existed before just two years ago. The goal is a fragmented, unstable Iran, if Netanyahu can have it. And he has three more years to work on his stooge President Trump. Horror that!!

 

[Persian Gulf]

Their inorganic movement can’t even produce slogans. Its just Javid shah, kose nanat, we are persians, not Muslims.

a lot of them seem to have severe psychological trauma which they project onto Islam and Muslims. which is funny when their Shah was a practising Muslim called Mohammad.

and a lot of them are really obsessed with vulgar language involving women's bodies. it's quite disturbing. they are not well mannered people or good representatives of Iranian civilisation.

 

[ShapurII]

I think Pezeshkian is a decent man (did not remarry after losing his wife) but incompetent politician who is better as a doctor than a politician. He reminds me of Ben Carson (the American brain surgeon who came across as retarded in every debate).

If we can have good relations with Azerbaijan to limit Israel's ability to use it as a base against us, that is worth pursuing. And we can't fight everyone at once. Let's figure out a way to survive Israel and the US before we focus on smaller issues like Aliyev pushing his luck with us and being best friends with Israel, Iraq refusing to pay their debts to us, and Taliban limiting our water rights.

The idea of shaking hands with a person that openly talks about invasion of Iran and entering Iranian land on his national TV is hilarious. The person that calls our territory "Southern Azerbaijan" in his newspapers and national TV. Pezeshkian has arranged his circle of advisors and friends purely based on ethnicity and federalist sentiments. Even mashreghnews, which is an IRGC-affiliated oulet, has warned about this many times.

The republic of Azerbaijan is getting armed against us, in case you have missed that.

 

[Persian Gulf]

The chart is very misleading but you are dealing with exponential growth. Whenever you are dealing with exponential growth, recent history looks dominant because the gap between numbers gets larger. Take the logarithm of that chart and you will have a much better picture.

It's quite easy actually. In 1979, 1 USD was about 70 IRR. 1 USD is about 1,628,000 IRR now. Calculate its geometric mean and you will see that USD has appreciated against our currency by 23% per annum, on average. So, this has been an ongoing situation for 47 years. And it is only getting worse because the oligarchy in Iran is getting more powerful and greedy.

Sanctions do play a role, but nothing like what is happening in Iran. Russia is under tougher sanctions but it hasn't experienced anything like us.

that is not a logarithmic chart.

you talk about exponential growth then use the average appreciation per year since 1979? that doesn't make sense since you just admitted the majority of that appreciation occurred in recent years.

Russia is not under tougher sanctions than Iran. European countries like Slovakia and Hungry still buy Russian oil. Not to mention India, Turkey, UAE, etc. Only China buys Iranian oil.

 

[ShapurII]

You and apparently many others in this thread are missing the crucial events starting early 2025: Iran's deterrence via its allies in Gaza, Lebanon and Syria greatly degraded and thus there are even harsher financial measures being applied, including browbeating the EU to declare IIRG a 'terrorist' organization and open military attacks.

There are now qualitative and quantitative measures against Iran unlike they existed before just two years ago. The goal is a fragmented, unstable Iran, if Netanyahu can have it. And he has three more years to work on his stooge President Trump. Horror that!!

A nation that bases her deterrence on militias and some corrupt murderous politician kept in power by Russia and our resources should expect this outcome. We had warned about all of this for years.

The IRGC was recognized as a terrorist organization after January protests. Trump did that during his first term but Europe refused to do that until only recently. I suppose when you kill your own people, you are giving foreign countries an excuse to label you like that.

There are no qualitative measures against Iran that did not exist two years ago. If anything, our oil exports are higher than 2018. The problem is that this money goes through a network of trustees, i.e. oligarchs with links to the system, and it isn't returned to the country because the collateral for the financial volume of their transactions is so little that they are not afraid of not returning the oil money.