Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

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in 2022 Iran unveiled the "Rezvan" ballistic missile

- 1400km range
- single stage
- liquid fuel
- separating warhead
- reaches mach 8 terminal velocity
- only 88cm diameter

another small and cheap option which can reach Israel from deep within Iran

Ansarallah (Yemen) has been using this missile against Israel (at ranges of >2000km) before it was unveiled by Iran

bro, how much these missile cost, a pop?

 

[Persian Gulf]

What makes you say that? There are plenty of people from Bandar Abbas and Kerman in the universities of Tehran.

We have a regional quota system for that purpose. We have three regional quotas, called سهمیه مناطق. It is there to ensure that all cities, regardless of how developed they are, are represented in top universities.

Well, if you want to exclude those under 16, then change your age range to 18 to 45. You'll still capture most of the population and I can guarantee you that the popularity of the regime is still pretty bad.

The Islamic Republic used to make fun of the MEK for being a bunch of Pir-o-Patal people. Now the same has happened to the fanbase of the regime itself. Most of its supporters are already older than 45.

simple numbers. there are far more people reaching university age outside of Tehran than places available in Tehran universities each year. so naturally the majority of them will not study in Tehran universities.

I never said IRI is popular, though I do believe they still have a plurality (not majority) of support. you can disagree. but 22 Bahman rallies are far larger than any anti government rallies I ever saw (2009 green movement came close). people always exclude rural Iranians who overwhelmingly support the IRI.

anyway, as the Chinese guy said, I hope if the war comes that we can all unite as Iranians and even if we can't win, we give the bastards a bloody nose and go out fighting.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I do agree that China's strategy of non-confrontation in the past couple of decades has been smart and it worked pretty great as long as the United States respected the rules of the game.

The US no longer respects the rules of the game and is becoming increasingly aggressive under the MAGA ideology. Will China change her strategy or not? Only time will tell.

My guess is that China will wait out Trump instead of reevaluating its policies, but everything is possible and I can be completely wrong.

The US has undergone completely rogue under MAGA, and the old global order is going crumbling.

The world cannot live without a stable global order, or everything will be plunged into chaos.

China is currently assessing to fill the void.

However, China is pondering if the world can accept China's political/economic model known as the socialism with Chinese characteristic.

This model is product of the communism and the Chinese traditional culture.

China never trusts the pure capitalism because China's past great dynasties were ruined by the capitalism.

China has started to practise capitalism since 1000 years ago, but it ended up with those traitorous capitalists had sold out its motherland just for pennies.

So China's dominated world will put heavy restriction on capitalism for the world not being ruined by the greed of the capitalism.

So the non-American capitalists need to think twice if they want to live a world under China's dominance even they are currently being bullied by the American capitalists under Trump's leadership.

 

[Persian Gulf]

bro, how much these missile cost, a pop?

they won't sell it to me so I don't know, but I have seen estimates of $500,000 for the cheaper liquid fuel missiles.

we know massive Simorgh SLV with 2.4m diameter first stage (4x vernier engines) and 1.5m second stage (and optional third stage) costs $3.5m per launch. so for sure these simple single stage liquid fuel missiles with old mass produced engine tech and < 1m diameter are < $1m each.

 

[ShapurII]

simple numbers. there are far more people reaching university age outside of Tehran than places available in Tehran universities each year. so naturally the majority of them will not study in Tehran universities.

I never said IRI is popular, though I do believe they still have a plurality (not majority) of support. you can disagree. but 22 Bahman rallies are far larger than any anti government rallies I ever saw (2009 green movement came close). people always exclude rural Iranians who overwhelmingly support the IRI.

anyway, as the Chinese guy said, I hope if the war comes that we can all unite as Iranians and even if we can't win, we give the bastards a bloody nose and go out fighting.

I think you are misinterpreting the statistical aspects of it. The question is: Are universities in Tehran a fair sample of Iranian people aged under 30? My argument is that it is because of the regional quota system in place, which is there for this exact purpose.

Please allow me not to buy that "26 million" figure. lol
Anyway, I agree that unity is the most important thing here but unity is a result of pluralism, not theocratic dictatorship and brutal suppression.

Iran's main issues are internal. Trump is only banking on our own mistakes and mismanagements and trying to use them for leverage against us.

 

[Persian Gulf]

I think you are misinterpreting the statistical aspects of it. The question is, are universities in Tehran a fair sample of Iranian people aged under 30? My argument is that it is because of the regional quota system in place, which is there for this exact purpose.

Please allow me not to buy that "26 million" figure. lol
Anyway, I agree that unity is the most important thing here but unity is a result of pluralism, not theocratic dictatorship and brutal suppression.

Iran's main issues are internal. Trump is only banking on our own mistakes and mismanagements and trying to use them for leverage against us.

I don't believe in 26 million but I have consistently seen far bigger rallies for Soleimani's funeral, Raisi's funeral, and 22 Bahman than any anti-government rally since 2009 Green movement.

unity is ideally unconditional but obviously retarded corrupt incompetent mullahs with draconian rules are not easy to unite behind, but that's why you unite behind the country no matter who the regime is. regimes come and go, the country stays.

 

[ShapurII]

I don't believe in 26 million but I have consistently seen far bigger rallies for Soleimani's funeral, Raisi's funeral, and 22 Bahman than any anti-government rally since 2009 Green movement.

unity is ideally unconditional but obviously retarded corrupt incompetent mullahs with draconian rules are not easy to unite behind, but that's why you unite behind the country no matter who the regime is. regimes come and go, the country stays.

Soleimani's funeral was an exception in recent years and it is a great example of the importance of popular support for the perceived strength of a system and its deterrence. It was the funeral of Soleimani that made Trump rethink about further adventures at that point, not our symbolic attack on Ain-al Assad. If anything, our symbolic attack on Ain-al Assad was a signal of weakness, but getting united over the assassination of Soleimani sent a truly strong message to Trump at that time.

However, I completely disagree with your second assessment. January protests were even bigger than the 2009 Green Movement. I remember you kept posting figures that claimed the protests were in the size of few thousands, usually in 1-2K range. How did they kill 3K and injure 25K in 2 days if the protestors were that many? Makes no sense.

Keeping a bad regime in power, that has consistently made bad choices without exception, is like allowing cancer to spread in your body because you're afraid of surgical intervention and medical treatments.

 

[Persian Gulf]

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[hasssanali8998]

surgical intervention and medical treatments.

but the doctor is on your side , not the case here

 

[ShapurII]

but the doctor is on your side , not the case here

Not necessarily. In most cases, the doctor gets his money and doesn't care if you will survive after it or not. It's simply a business transaction for many doctors.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Soleimani's funeral was an exception in recent years and it is a great example of the importance of popular support for the perceived strength of a system and its deterrence. It was the funeral of Soleimani that made Trump rethink about further adventures at that point, not our symbolic attack on Ain-al Assad. If anything, our symbolic attack on Ain-al Assad was a signal of weakness, but getting united over the assassination of Soleimani sent a truly strong message to Trump at that time.

However, I completely disagree with your second assessment. January protests were even bigger than the 2009 Green Movement. I remember you kept posting figures that claimed the protests were in the size of few thousands, usually in 1-2K range. How did they kill 3K and injure 25K in 2 days if the protestors were that many? Makes no sense.

Keeping a bad regime in power, that has consistently made bad choices without exception, is like allowing cancer to spread in your body because you're afraid of surgical intervention and medical treatments.

sure, the number of killed and injured suggests significant protests and significant violence (on both sides, in my opinion).

IRI has to make significant reforms or go, no doubt, but you don't treat cancer by letting the devil shoot your head off. no point rehashing this point over.

better served by theorising how Iran can survive a US imposed war, to ensure we still have a country, before we think about such luxuries like a better regime.

 

[Garcia Sea]

Concessions only invite war.
If there is a single country that survived by making concessions to the US, please tell me.
Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria,
Without exception, they have been destroyed.
Afghanistan and Yemen, which refused concessions and fought to the end, have survived.
China once had many voices favorable to Iran, but this changed completely after June 2025.
Despite the JCPOA inviting aggression, the foolish pursuit of negotiations with the US without waking up has bred widespread disbelief and anger. The voices calling for abandoning Iran have become nothing but harsh.

 

[جوبا]

they won't sell it to me so I don't know,

Brother for you I make special offer
good discount brother, you can check the market you wont find lower brice

 

[Persian Gulf]

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interesting dynamic

Iranians better get used to tolerating different political opinions if they want to have a country moving forward

but as usual even in this video it seems the pro government crowd are peaceful and calm while the anti government crowd are vulgar, angry and looking for violence. it is a shame.

note this is not always the case. hardliners in the pro government supporters have conducted disgusting violent attacks in the past.

 

[ShapurII]

sure, the number of killed and injured suggests significant protests and significant violence (on both sides, in my opinion).

IRI has to make significant reforms or go, no doubt, but you don't treat cancer by letting the devil shoot your head off. no point rehashing this point over.

better served by theorising how Iran can survive a US imposed war, to ensure we still have a country, before we think about such luxuries like a better regime.

We will most likely survive the war, but we will be forced to surrender to the US imposed world order and play along with their regional plans.