Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Persian Gulf]

We will most likely survive the war, but we will be forced to surrender to the US imposed world order and play along with their regional plans.

which US intervention in recent decades makes you so optimistic? I don't think the 'clean' Venezuela model works in Iran, for many reasons.

in my opinion, Israel wants supremacy over the region and would rather live among neighbours in ruins than let any of them challenge Israel's qualitative superiority. that's why they will go after Turkey next, even though Turkey has had great relations with Israel for many years.

we are lucky a lot of Americans don't remember the hostage crisis. racism against Iranians was really mainstream back then. they could have nuked Tehran and Americans would have celebrated.

 

[ShapurII]

note this is not always the case. hardliners in the pro government supporters have conducted disgusting violent attacks in the past.

Isn't it suspicious that the supporters of the regime are already there with their flags and their drumset? How organic is that?

Most of them are obviously part of the Basij students of the university. Each university has its own Basij branch, as you know.

Honestly, I'm stunned that nobody is willing to acknowledge the situation in the system.
I used to think that unlike what it appears on the surface, Iran was ruled by some sort of pragmatism behind the scene.

 

[ShapurII]

which US intervention in recent decades makes you so optimistic? I don't think the 'clean' Venezuela model works in Iran, for many reasons.

in my opinion, Israel wants supremacy over the region and would rather live among neighbours in ruins than let any of them challenge Israel's qualitative superiority. that's why they will go after Turkey next, even though Turkey has had great relations with Israel for many years.

we are lucky a lot of Americans don't remember the hostage crisis. racism against Iranians was really mainstream back then. they could have nuked Tehran and Americans would have celebrated.

The fact that the US is not considering a complete ground invasion of Iran, and this is supported by their current military formation and their own statements, means that they are working towards a planned transition of power. As I said, it seems that they are seeking a situation where either Iran surrenders to their demands, or they will continue their cycle of war and economic pressure until the country implodes internally. In both cases, a transition of power will take place without boots on the ground.

Otherwise, how do you think they can invade a country of 90 million people and keep it without sending their troops there?

If they were after another Iraq war, the Americans would've stationed a million soldiers around us, including soldiers from other allied countries in NATO and in the region.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Isn't it suspicious that the supporters of the regime are already there with their flags and their drumset? How organic is that?

Most of them are obviously part of the Basij students of the university. Each university has its own Basij branch, as you know.

Honestly, I'm stunned that nobody is willing to acknowledge the situation in the system.
I used to think that unlike what it appears on the surface, Iran was ruled by some sort of pragmatism behind the scene.

there are 6 people sharing 3 drums. the rest are just chanting heydar with Iranian flags. doesn't look like something they planned for weeks.

just like the anti government protestors there have specially made posters etc.

do you agree that in this video alone the pro government Basijis are calmer and less confrontational than the anti government protesters?

 

[Persian Gulf]

The fact that the US is not considering a complete ground invasion of Iran, and this is supported by their current military formation and their own statements, means that they are working towards a planned transition of power. As I said, it seems that they are seeking a situation where either Iran surrenders to their demands, or they will continue their cycle of war and economic pressure until the country implodes internally.

Otherwise, how do you think they can invade a country of 90 million people and keep it without sending their troops there?

If they were after another Iraq war, the Americans would've stationed a million soldiers around us, including soldiers from other allied countries in NATO and in the region.

I agree a land invasion and occupation is not on the cards. But I think they do not have a plan other than blow everything up and see what happens. Trump thinks a dementia test is an IQ test, let's not overestimate how much he is thinking about this.

 

[ShapurII]

there are 6 people sharing 3 drums. the rest are just chanting heydar with Iranian flags. doesn't look like something they planned for weeks.

just like the anti government protestors there have specially made posters etc.

do you agree that in this video alone the pro government Basijis are calmer and less confrontational than the anti government protesters?

Yeah, but why should a student bring drums and flags to the university? That's not something you do when you go to university.

Yes, I agree with that. And do you know why? Because they have been told to act calm and do not confront them. We both know how Basij of students in universities works.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Yeah, but why should a student bring drums and flags to the university? That's not something you do when you go to university.

Yes, I agree with that. And do you know why? Because they have been told to act calm and do not confront them. We both know how Basij of students in universities works.

well it is a shame there is no unifying figure among the others to tell them not to constantly resort to vulgarity and violence ...

anyway, I think it is good that they protest near each other. if, god willing, we ever have a democracy in Iran one day we need to be able to tolerate different beliefs without killing each other like low IQ savages.

 

[ShapurII]

I agree a land invasion and occupation is not on the cards. But I think they do not have a plan other than blow everything up and see what happens. Trump thinks a dementia test is an IQ test, let's not overestimate how much he is thinking about this.

Trump is a fool. No doubt about it. He has the education of a rich brat that has never spent a day studying his textbooks and I have been mocking him for ages but he needs to get something tangible out of his bombing campaign.

He is obviously looking for something more than the destruction of Iran at the expense of their troops and Israel. He is eyeing long-term security for Israel, a shift in Iran's alliance with China and obviously control of our resources. None of this will be achieved by an aerial campaign alone.

 

[Persian Gulf]

it's quite funny, most of my life I hated these Hezbollahis and their extremist ideology and vigilante violence and intimidating liberals etc, I remember the thugs calling Rafsanjani's daughter a whore in a car park (maybe not his daughter, but someone like that).

I still do hate those guys, but without the (more moderate) core IRI support I am very fearful of where these brainwashed kids will lead Iran. they are bringing foreign cultural practices into Iran and have very limited understanding of history.

it may not seem like it, but things can always get worse.

 

[925boy]

routine behaviour to target PJAK terrorists, nothing special

Well Iran basically fought and crushed these Kurdish separatist Pejak by early 2000s, or so we thought, and it seems that after years of just existing mostly In name, Pejak got resuscitated and reactivated by Israel, below Iranian intelligence fuly understanding of what was going on, but now Iran seems fully aware of what Pejak and Israel are doing in its immediate region, especially the Iran- Iraq border areas.

 

[Persian Gulf]

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need MOIS to hack these guys and steal their blueprints ... embarrassing that our military command was not better protected from GBU-28s

 

[Psyko70]

Turker is born 100% CIA, hasn't changed even a bit. One can tell that when he inhales fresh bread in Moscow.

I dont know if he is 100% CIA. His points are 100% correct for an american citizen. It simply means through CIA some big shots in america are fighting against blackmailers from mossad. He is definitely an actor against israeli propaganda.

He even mentioned how pedophiles are only running from america and going to israel. Is israel giving pedophile asylum.

While also TC clearly asks why are we attacking iran for israel. Why israel has nukes and why cant others have. Also mentions repeatedly how israel stole american nuke tech to build nukes. And how uss liberty was deliberately attacked.

Also how israel has multiple time threatened usa that if they stop funding they will nuke them. Basically saying israelis are a holes.

 

[Persian Gulf]

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what is this guy smoking? he's not even in the cabinet let alone part of the negotiations with Iran.

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even his daughter doesn't like this weird creep.

 

[Meengla]

Anyway, I agree that unity is the most important thing here but unity is a result of pluralism, not theocratic dictatorship and brutal suppression.

Saudi Arabia has been even more strict against pluralism and even more theocratic than Iran and there is a decades long history to back that up, even if Saudi Arabia is only now opening up a little bit.
The punishing sanctions on Iran for nearly half a century along with perpetual threat of war on Iran have been the main factors affecting Iran, otherwise there are plenty of 'corrupt', 'repressive' and 'inefficient' economies in the world doing okay.
There are good examples of the so-called 'authoritarian' regimes doing fairly better than the so-called 'democratic' countries.
Don't fall for the hogwash of the Western narrative.

 

[Meengla]

still do hate those guys, but without the (more moderate) core IRI support I am very fearful of where these brainwashed kids will lead Iran. they are bringing foreign cultural practices into Iran and have very limited understanding of history.

it may not seem like it, but things can always get worse.

Things will be designed to get worse for Iran--much worse.