Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

Not at all.....he was saying they're confused as to why Iran has not capitulated.....which to me means they never thought Iran would stay defiant in the face of so much firepower.
And this could lead to rethinking of the whole operation if it could mean Iran sets the ME's energy hub on fire.
Translation= Pause till we figure this out......are we sure we want to do this? Is it absolutely necessary to our goal of no nuclear weapons?
Now, think like an American....do you need the hassle? Near 3% enrichment, with no sunset...and diluting the 60% down to 20% for some token sanction relief......US can declare that they got a better deal than Obama.
If you ask me this is what they were looking for from the beginning, this was all theater, and perhaps a gamble to see if they can scare the crap out of Iran and getting a super deal, rather than just a good deal.

I think you're falling for their mind games again.

How many time has Trump or Netanyahu said, quite publicly, that they don't think Iran would agree with their demands? How many times Netanyahu alone has said that Iranians cannot be trusted? Do you seriously think that the US and Israel do not understand the mindset of the Iranian regime after 47 years? They even know where our highest officials sleep at night lol

I think they will start this war and their answer to the public will be: they were running towards nuclear weapons in the last minute. We had to take immediate action.

 

[kastor ville]

I think you're falling for their mind games again.

How many time has Trump or Netanyahu said, quite publicly, that they don't think Iran would agree with their demands? How many times Netanyahu alone has said that Iranians cannot be trusted? Do you seriously think that the US and Israel do not understand the mindset of the Iranian regime after 47 years? They even know where our highest officials sleep at night lol

I think they will start this war and their answer to the public will be: they were running towards nuclear weapons in the last minute. We had to take immediate action.

Short answer.......YES!
I will stick with my last post......it's easy enough to figure out if I'm off base....and living in "My Own Private Idaho"

 

[ShapurII]

Short answer.......YES!
I will stick with my last post......it's easy enough to figure out if I'm off base....and living in "My Own Private Idaho"

Let's wait a little longer. We have 2 more years of Trump left.
2 years is nothing in the grand scheme of things.

We will see which one of us is right by then.

 

[aerospace_enthusiast_newb]

Let's wait a little longer. We have 2 more years of Trump left.
2 years is nothing in the grand scheme of things.

We will see which one of us is right by then.

Technically, 3 more years of Trump. He will sit in office until Jan 20, 2029.

Though he has upcoming mid-term elections in November 2026.

 

[Pak-Warrior]

What is the current status of 3 kilo subs? I hope these are already deployed. But non-AIP subs needs to surface every 24 to 36 hrs. However still can go stealth (depth) for a day.

Key is all 3 of them should not surface at a single given time.

 

[mulj]

Saudi Arabia has been even more strict against pluralism and even more theocratic than Iran and there is a decades long history to back that up, even if Saudi Arabia is only now opening up a little bit.
The punishing sanctions on Iran for nearly half a century along with perpetual threat of war on Iran have been the main factors affecting Iran, otherwise there are plenty of 'corrupt', 'repressive' and 'inefficient' economies in the world doing okay.
There are good examples of the so-called 'authoritarian' regimes doing fairly better than the so-called 'democratic' countries.
Don't fall for the hogwash of the Western narrative.

It is just access to global wealth and what can you offer, Iran is stripped of that option and it has nothing to do with democracy, plurality, it is always two things, hegemon interests and how much you bend or align for pieces of hegemon wealth.

 

[tsunset]

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[mulj]

Even in the best of times after Saddam fell and Iran had the easier access to Lebanon through Iraq and Syria, I heard an analyst say that Israelis managed to destroy 1 out of every 5 Iranian supply to Hezbollah. And you may also look up how the Israelis often interdicted and destroyed the sea routes to Lebanon during the best of times for the Iranian enterprise to support the Palestinians.

The game is over for Iran; the post 1979 idealism has faced real geopolitics. It has taken almost half a century to come to that but here we are. Iran needs to salvage what it can and may be hope either Trump and/or Netanyahu are not in the decision making for the next three damned years!! Three damned years!! A long time for such a pernicious combination to exist!!

This is not quite true, routes are opened but with different management and power dynamics.

 

[StrategicBear]

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[Pak-Warrior]

By this force posture, US maybe hoping to monitor and mark more hidden sites. They maybe hoping to panic Iran to expose its more hidden sites. Iran must be doing activity and preparing while US watching with interest. US attention will definitely go to sites where there's activity.

The war officially has not started but all deployments and targeting selection is already happening.

If I'd be Iran, I would dig up mock sites with nothing in them. Also Iran would like to mix real mobile launchers with 100s of mock mobile launchers. Also should keep doing firing exercises at longer ranges even with cheap drones. Deception, distraction in enemy deployments should keep happening. Whenever US will strike, they will do an enormous attack in first wave to do max damage. For that purpose it is very hard to mobilize everything at a single instance, enemy needs perfect environment and everything to right at that moment. Iran should not let that happen. Keep disrupting their plans. You are not causing any causalities with warning shots.

 

[PK781]

i still think its all pressure tactics and there will be no attack.
A solution would be found on some negotiations eventually because even the americans cannot afford another major war at this time. Economies are in the gutter worldwide and this regional war can escalate and then get big into a WW3.
The zions may be ok with it, but not everyone else. Most of the people worldwide do not want a world war, despite the zions trying their best to trigger it and start one. This has everyone worried and shitting bricks.

I pray for peace and prosperity for all our muslim nations. Now is the time for unity and to hold onto our faith and discipline. We all must unite against the zions.
Regardless of what happens later, Pakistan and Iran are critical for each other's safety, security and both must remain. If any falls, it will be detrimental for the other and we will see both being attacked one after the other. They will use india/afg against us with uae making the financial payments.

Long live both our countries, inshAllah.

 

[mangekyo]

Wow! Tell me this is real?
this is comprehensive......if they had shown fangs and claws like this in the years before, we would have never gotten here........the calibrated responses is why they think they can bomb us to the stone age and fly back for dinner.

Its either the same «10k missiles will destroy Tel-Aviv» propaganda, or these new generals aren’t playing games like the old armchair generals.

 

[tsunset]

Pahlavists accuses everyone not agreeing with them of being "arabs", but if Pahlavi gets in Iran and rule without being assassinated, he will be the very first one to **** arab ***** by entering joint cuck alliances and entering the Abraham Accords in partnership with Arab PGCC

 

[mangekyo]

Firstly, unlike Saudi Arabia, democracy movements in Iran date back to the beginning of the 19th century, nearly two centuries ago. The Persian revolution successfully replaced absolute monarchy in Iran in 1905, even before the Russians. So, you are talking about completely different nations with different histories and values.

Secondly, your average Saudi, at least in large cities of Saudi Arabia, enjoys relative prosperity and high salaries. Your average Iranian struggles to make ends meet even for his basic needs, has no access to international markets and feels stuck in a hell. Average salary in Saudi Arabia hovers around $2,700 for Saudi citizens. In Tehran, average salary is about $154. Minimum full-time salary is about $80 per month now. See the difference?

Thirdly, Bin Salman saved Saudi Arabia from the same fate. He revolutionized the country before the youth in the country start to riot against them. He legalized women's driving, opened the country to foreigners, improved the public image of Saudi Arabia in the world by huge investments in tourism, etc. The Ayatollahs have resisted all of these changes and even killed thousands of teenagers over a piece of headscarf.

Iranians would welcome similar changes in Iran for sure but the regime is unwilling to make any sort of change until it's too late.

The interesting part is that Saudi who has «sold» their economy to the US, has a $1T sovereign wealth fund. Economically independent Iran however has a sovereign wealth fund of $0-30B

 

[ShapurII]

The interesting part is that Saudi who has «sold» their economy to the US, has a $1T sovereign wealth fund. Economically independent Iran however has a sovereign wealth fund of $0-30B

Yeah, all these countries that are "milked" by the US are wealthy with decent salaries.

Both Saudi Arabia and Turkey are now in talks with the United States to enrich uranium in their own countries. Trump sold a huge chunk of nuclear secrets with Saudi Arabia during his first term.

Meanwhile, Iran has lost its decorative nuclear program, has an air force that belongs to the museum and is falling behind rapidly in science, technology, education and in every macroeconomic indicator against its regional adversaries like Turkey and Saudi Arabia.