Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Persian Gulf]

The Turkish border is fenced all around. from Syria to Iraq to Iran. And even i think Armenia and Georgia might be fenced.

Turkey controls mountain passes in Iraq where there isn't a fence possible. And thats in conjunction with the KRG.

you didn't answer the question

I'll help you. Iran's border with Iraq is longer than Turkey's borders with Syria, Iraq, and Georgia combined, and in significantly more mountainous terrain.

 

[mangekyo]

Your assessment is wrong.

You can see when you see the Zionist entity barking at Turkey or Lindsey Graham threatening Turkey.

That oil pipeline is based on a Baghdad agreement, Baghdad decides to export the oil, and that oil is mixed with Syrian oil that the PKK smuggled into the KRG.

And it doesn't go to the Israel, atleast its not a significant factor. Israelis get their oil via the Azerbaijan Turkey pipeline, not that they need that either, as Oil is elastic and once it leaves a terminal in Turkey, there is no difference between it and Russian oil or other oil, as its no longer tethered to a pipeline.

So the Iraqis filed a case against Turkey in 2023 for allowing KRG to export oil independently and it was ruled in favor of Iraq. Turkey was in fact illegally sending Iraqi oil to Israel but it stopped in 2023 after they lost the case.

Iraqi-Turkish Oil Arbitration Case - Middle East Policy Council

Policy Briefs Program March 28, 2023 On Thursday, March 23, the International Court of Arbitration ruled that the “Iraqi national oil company SOMO is the only entity authorized to manage oil export operations through the Turkish port of Ceyhan.” Iraq filed a lawsuit against Turkey nine years ago...

mepc.org

Turkey is a NATO member and fully in the American/Israeli sphere of influence. You can deny it all you want, but anyone with half a brain knows Turkey was actively funding and training ISIS, Al-Qaida etc from orders by western intelligence to replace Assad with an Israeli friendly government. There were tons of leaks while it happened, Trump admitted it and it was even in the Epstein files.

 

[Persian Gulf]

So the Iraqis filed a case against Turkey in 2023 for allowing KRG to export oil independently and it was ruled in favor of Iraq. Turkey was in fact illegally sending Iraqi oil to Israel but it stopped in 2023 after they lost the case.

Iraqi-Turkish Oil Arbitration Case - Middle East Policy Council

Policy Briefs Program March 28, 2023 On Thursday, March 23, the International Court of Arbitration ruled that the “Iraqi national oil company SOMO is the only entity authorized to manage oil export operations through the Turkish port of Ceyhan.” Iraq filed a lawsuit against Turkey nine years ago...

mepc.org

Turkey is a NATO member and fully in the American/Israeli sphere of influence. You can deny it all you want, but anyone with half a brain knows Turkey was actively funding and training ISIS, Al-Qaida etc from orders by western intelligence to replace Assad with an Israeli friendly government. There were tons of leaks while it happened, Trump admitted it and it was even in the Epstein files.

lets take the Turkey discussion to another thread please

 

[kastor ville]

If the IRGC really wants to fight this war seriously, then they need to define what are their primary goals in this war, just like the Zionists did so for the 12-Day War.

Iran can't just simply accept a ceasefire just when the enemy who started this war suddenly wants peace negotiations when they're starting to lose a few hundred soldiers after bombings killed thousands of soldiers and civilians inside Iran.

To restore deterrence, Iran needs to define its goals? For example :

1. Internally, Iran may decide not to accept any ceasefire until a major strategic goal has been achieved ( like the sinking of a US Carrier or something)

2. Or Iran won't stop until all US bases are destroyed, or Iran devastates Israel enough to a certain degree

3. Iran needs to totally rout the enemy so much that they won't even think of going to war with Iran again. Treat this as an existential war, in which victory would only be considered if after the war, the enemy becomes so weakened or "learned their lesson" that they have to sign at least a 50-year or 100-year Peace Treaty/Non-Aggression Treaty with Iran to secure the Peace for many decades to come so Iran can rebuild and re-develop peacefully without any chance of this shit happening again.

So, Iran must treat this seriously now and no longer play-play...

This is not an equally matched war....we are fighting for our country's survival....we are not projecting power. The US is not going to be defeated by us....we can only hope to make the war cost prohibitive.
There are indications that both the US and Iran are clearly seeing the cost of this adventure, and they're both having reservations. Which is a good thing.....a diplomatic approach still remains the best way.

 

[Dil Pakistan]

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What are they shitting? --- bricks?

 

[kastor ville]

You cannot “deal” with the Kurds. Turkey has been trying for decades with the best military equipment they can buy.

The best way to deal with militants is to remove the incentive for someone to become a militant in the first place.

Places like Baluchistan, Kurdistan, Ahvaz are very poor and haven’t been economically developed going back to even the Shah era. People living in poverty and squalor are more likely to be radicalized or to pick up arms.

The best way to kill off the movement of militants is to lift people out of poverty alongside every targeted military action.

If Israel cannot eliminate Hamas miltants out of a postage stamp size piece of land, then Iran cannot eliminate Kurdistan terrorists out of the mountainous terrain either. You will be playing wack a mole for decades and end up right where you started.

If indeed this provinces are poor due to lack of care and attention, then shame on the government...they should've known this will become ripe grounds for sectarian divide. I've always argued that the strength of iran has been that we are Iranians first, and then everything else, second.....

 

[Immortals]

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Important to remember that Rouhani also negotiated with US after 1979 Revolution to keep Us-Iran ties intact, but negotiations failed.

 

[The SC]

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[hyperman]

you didn't answer the question

I'll help you. Iran's border with Iraq is longer than Turkey's borders with Syria, Iraq, and Georgia combined, and in significantly more mountainous terrain.

Doesn't seem longer than the Turkey border covering Syria, Iraq and Iran etc.

Turkey already fenced the Turkish Iran border on its side, and its about the same amount of mountanous as the Iraq/Iran border that covers Kurdish populations.



This is negligence(or something else IMO), not impossibility.

 

[StrategicBear]

Trump still thinks Iran is messing around and doesn't think his incoming attack WILL spark THE WAR that gets thousands of Americans killed and US carriers sunk, judging by the fact that he still thinks that there are months to come before US can have a chance to re-attack the 2nd time with much larger force.

I don't think he understands the existential situation Iran is now under and that is foolish for him if he does think he can attack 2nd time after what he will do initially, like as if he doesn't think Iran has the ability to wage war till killing hundreds to thousands of US personnel all coming home in body bags

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Every country has liberal pusseys like this, you can't stop your country because of these fcukwits

Get some riot teams out their break some skulls

Their are more important things for the state then if some skank wants to be a whore or something clown wants a tattoo or something


In Pakistan we have the same liberal feminist movements with Mera jism or something, everyone just ignores them

 

[hyperman]

Turkey is a NATO member and fully in the American/Israeli sphere of influence. You can deny it all you want, but anyone with half a brain knows Turkey was actively funding and training ISIS, Al-Qaida etc from orders by western intelligence to replace Assad with an Israeli friendly government. There were tons of leaks while it happened, Trump admitted it and it was even in the Epstein files.

Just plain wrong and again a lack of capacity to move beyond the pre 2024 geopolitical assessment framework. But no point in going further.

NaTo NaTo NaTo, you really don't get it, so no point in actually explaining the reality of the situation. Maybe you can ask your Greek friend Foinikas to explain if your perceptions of alignment are correct.

 

[kastor ville]

Here it is.....Haas is a Jew, but he's an scholar and he's fair....Karim on the other hand needs to keep his job, so he's rarely fair.

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[ShapurII]

Every country has liberal pusseys like this, you can't stop your country because of these fcukwits

Get some riot teams out their break some skulls

Their are more important things for the state then if some skank wants to be a whore or something clown wants a tattoo or something


In Pakistan we have the same liberal feminist movements with Mera jism or something, everyone just ignores them

These "pussies" will literally violate you from every hole in your body and turn you into their bitch. Just go there and try them.

And these "fuckwits" are mostly the winners of international Olympiads and most of them end up studying in MIT, Harvard, Stanford, Oxford, Cambridge, etc.