Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

ShapurII said:
Define "after". When will it be?

The people fully supported the regime during the 12-day war. What happened after that?
1. $11 billion dollars of oil money did not return to the country by the "Trustees".
2. Iranian currency devalued by nearly 95% in a span of 7-8 months.
3. Minimum salary increased by less than 40% even though inflation has been well above 60%.
4. Tehran had electricity and water cuts in winter!

The regime has had enough time to change its course.
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Iran is under attack

Massive economic sanctions and manipulation of currency

Economic warfare and decades of plots and machinations

It's a wonder Iran is standing at all


Does the Iranian government make mistakes, SURE absolutely


But this isn't normal mismanagement, this is ECONOMIC WAR on Iran to degrade it and ignite the population

Even liberalisation plot to work propaganda on Iranian youth, is a long term plot to weaken Iran and weaken it's faith and resolve




As Iranians you can either bend and break and be lost or you can fight and stand up for you people, your history, faith, culture




I've said this before, the world is changing, Europe is fading, China and others are rising
The U.Sis erratic and worried about it's future and hence becoming more erratic and extreme


Iran needs to fight through, their is light at the end of the tunnel

You can't break and fall and humiliated yourself at the final hurdle

Iran is writing another chapter in its great history, and for some reason liberal clowns are trying to trip it up
 
Persian Gulf said:
that is a stupid question and you know it
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Why? You know quite well that Sunnis aren't really that fond of the Shiite people. Why do you think they care for some Shiite religious figure?

Name every Muslim country in the world that has recognized Israel and I bet that country is still more respected than Iran. :)
 
hussain0216 said:
Iran is under attack

Massive economic sanctions and manipulation of currency

Economic warfare and decades of plots and machinations

It's a wonder Iran is standing at all


Does the Iranian government make mistakes, SURE absolutely


But this isn't normal mismanagement, this is ECONOMIC WAR on Iran to degrade it and ignite the population

Even liberalisation plot to work propaganda on Iranian youth, is a long term plot to weaken Iran and weaken it's faith and resolve




As Iranians you can either bend and break and be lost or you can fight and stand up for you people, your history, faith, culture




I've said this before, the world is changing, Europe is fading, China and others are rising
The U.Sis erratic and worried about it's future and hence becoming more erratic and extreme


Iran needs to fight through, their is light at the end of the tunnel

You can't break and fall and humiliated yourself at the final hurdle

Iran is writing another chapter in its great history, and for some reason liberal clowns are trying to trip it up
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No, it is mismanagement.

Labor laws are a domestic issue. When the government increases salaries by 21%-40% when inflation is well-above 60% in urban areas, that's mismanagement. Not economic war imposed by the United States. When taxation in Iran has approached the levels of Western Europe when people are living in poverty, that's a domestic issue, not something imposed by the US.

When official inflation rate is 48% but bank interest rate is 23% officially, that's mismanagement. When ordinary citizens can never get bank loans from the banks directly, while some people get 20-year loans with 2% annual interest, that's stealing from the people.

When 11 billion dollars of oil money is at the hands of the "Trustees", i.e. people trusted by the regime, and those people refuse to return the money because the value of their collaterals here is too small to cover their debt, that's corruption.

Purposeful suppression of wages in Iran has been a 2 decade problem, if not more. And it is a policy completely controlled by the government. Not something imposed on us by the US or Israel. The regime has enslaved Iranians and is stealing from us and sending our money to a bunch of rag-tag Arab militias that are not any better than Israelis towards us. Most Arabs hate Iranians as much as Israelis, if not more.

None of these things has anything to do with the United States or Israel.
 

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Report: Western officials fear Iran will direct proxies to attack U.S. targets abroad​

Signals are increasing that Iran may direct its proxies to attack U.S. targets in the Middle East and Europe should President Donald Trump order strikes against the country, the New York Times reported, citing U.S. and Western security officials.

No specific plot has been detected, the report said, but intelligence intercepts of communications have increased, indicating some coordination and planning is taking place between Iran and its proxies.

According to the Times, officials are concerned Iran could push the Houthis to resume attacks on Western ships in the Red Sea, while Hezbollah or Al Qaeda cells could be employed to attack U.S. bases and embassies.

One senior U.S. official told the newspaper that the United States was tracking "a lot" of activity, but it was unclear what would provoke an attack

Well I can definitely see Iran striking military or diplomatic officials abroad in case of war especially knowing trump will target many military and diplomatic and even religious figures in Iran but why do we always have to go and throw the Al qaeda is an ally of Iran act same as they did with saddam
 
ShapurII said:
No, it is mismanagement.

Labor laws are a domestic issue. When the government increases salaries by 21%-40% when inflation is well-above 60% in urban areas, that's mismanagement. Not economic war imposed by the United States. When taxation in Iran has approached the levels of Western Europe when people are living in poverty, that's a domestic issue, not something imposed by the US.

When official inflation rate is 48% but bank interest rate is 23% officially, that's mismanagement. When ordinary citizens can never get bank loans from the banks directly, while some people get 20-year loans with 2% annual interest, that's stealing from the people.

When 11 billion dollars of oil money is at the hands of the "Trustees", i.e. people trusted by the regime, and those people refuse to return the money because the value of their collaterals here is too small to cover their debt, that's corruption.

Purposeful suppression of wages in Iran has been a 2 decade problem, if not more. And it is a policy completely controlled by the government. Not something imposed on us by the US or Israel. The regime has enslaved Iranians and is stealing from us and sending our money to a bunch of rag-tag Arab militias that are not any better than Israelis towards us. Most Arabs hate Iranians as much as Israelis, if not more.

None of these things has anything to do with the United States or Israel.
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Most people around the world, most Arabs, most Muslims, most anyone have too many problems to hate Iran

Knock-off the propaganda


I agree any government has to be competent, but pre 2012-ish look at Iran, look at it's HDI and other indicators

All with the same government

Then can the sanctions and the plots to attack and destroy Iran

And you don't think these things are connected??????

A WAR is being waged against you by the parasite Jews and their evangelical puppets in the west and you can either bend and break and do EXACTLY what they want which is destroy your own government and state


Or you can fight and say **** these motherfcukers
Another 10-20 years and China will pull ahead
Russia by hook or crook will win in Ukraine and and has revenge on the mind for the ageing Europeans who have helped kill 1 million Russians
Others countries are raising

Make friends for fcuks sake, find solutions within your country and outside


Shooting your own dick like a coward is exactly the plan the Jews and west have set up for you

Focus and plow ahead and get those liberal cucks broken
 
Why is the Iranian government allowing demonstrations by traitors colluding with the enemy nation at a time when it faces imminent full scale invasion?
Fearing that if Iran's leadership and military officials flee Tehran for secure shelters, rebel forces would swiftly seize control and establish a pro-American regime, they remain in vulnerable buildings across Tehran.
The recent riots were no accident, they were threats designed to tie down Khamenei and his entourage, preventing their escape to safety.
This tactic has proven dramatically effective: even under the constant threat of US missiles raining down, Iran's generals continue to appear before the public.
Stop falling for the enemy's schemes already and crack down on the traitors.
In any Western country, armed police would have been deployed without mercy. The traitors at Tehran University would have been arrested immediately, their names exposed, and barred from employment.
That's how it should be. Abandon your liberal illusions. It's a false ideology spread by the West to tie other nations' hands. They don't uphold liberal values at all.
 
hussain0216 said:
Most people around the world, most Arabs, most Muslims, most anyone have too many problems to hate Iran

Knock-off the propaganda


I agree any government has to be competent, but pre 2012-ish look at Iran, look at it's HDI and other indicators

All with the same government

Then can the sanctions and the plots to attack and destroy Iran

And you don't think these things are connected??????

A WAR is being waged against you by the parasite Jews and their evangelical puppets in the west and you can either bend and break and do EXACTLY what they want which is destroy your own government and state


Or you can fight and say **** these motherfcukers
Another 10-20 years and China will pull ahead
Russia by hook or crook will win in Ukraine and and has revenge on the mind for the ageing Europeans who have helped kill 1 million Russians
Others countries are raising

Make friends for fcuks sake, find solutions within your country and outside


Shooting your own dick like a coward is exactly the plan the Jews and west have set up for you

Focus and plow ahead and get those liberal cucks broken
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It wasn't the same government. Ahmadinejad had completely different ideas and he was continuously criticized by the others in the regime. Guess where Ahmadinejad is now? They removed him from power and never let him return again.
Iran's growth in 2000s was mostly the result of the US mistakes in Iraq and Afghanistan. Not something that the Ayatollahs did for Iranians.

The situation in Iran is purely a result of mismanagement. If this regime stays in power, there will be no Iran 20 years later to know what a China-dominated world looks like.

I'm telling you that even Tehran has electricity and water cuts in winter. Tehran is a city on the hills of the Damavand Mountain and we do not have enough water to pump into the homes of the citizens of Tehran! This is a joke! Only uneducated Ayatollahs could achieve this.

People are not going to allow this regime who is alien to our culture and identity and whose long-term strategy is based on the theory of Umm al-Qura and Palestine stay in power and ruin our country for another 20 years.

One of the analysts on Twitter said that the United States is planning to "Saddamize" this regime. I think this regime has already become "Saddamized" by the US and their own actions. And a similar fate is awaiting them at this point.
 
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Trump curious why Iran has not 'capitulated', Witkoff says

US envoy Steve Witkoff says the president is puzzled why Iran has not yet compromised in the face of a major American military build-up nearby.
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So...all this show of force is a pressure tactic which has failed. Looks like Iran knows that the US is not going to attack and using diplomacy to it's full benefit. Trump seems to have trapped himself in a corner. Its in his interest to agree to something so as to show how is massive military buildup was the reason.
 
ShapurII said:
I have been saying that for years but they say it's haram.

I'm not much of an expert when it comes to the Quran, but when they shoved down religious education down our throats in school, I remember they said that the Quran has obligated Muslims to equip themselves with the strongest weapons. Nowhere it said that nukes are haram, particularly when your enemies want to destroy you.
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On some important level, I can understand your POV. I can sympathise with the profound hatred and anger that arises when witnessing your own nation and its people endure increasing poverty. Overall, your critique of the current circumstances and leadership is clear to anyone who is observant and rational, but let's be honest here.

There's no law, no rule, no fatwa in Islam that is forbidding you to build a nuclear bomb. Not in Quran, not in the entire body of hadiths, not in Sunni Islam and neither in Shia Islam.

This was a stupid decision by some Ayatollahs and it was absolutely a worldy, secular, geopolitical commitment they made.

Claiming otherwise is also a kind of insult for our Pakistani friends.
 
ShapurII said:
Israel took out Hasan Nasrallah and what did the Shiite people do in Lebanon? Nothing. Israel took Haniyeh in Tehran and what happened? Nothing. The United States is a thousand times more powerful than teeny tiny Israel. Israel is literally the size of a shit-stain on the map and nobody in the Muslim world has been able to stop them. You think the Shiite people will be able to stop the US on their own?

The IRGC has about 600K soldiers.
The protests were organic. And even though thousands of people were killed, and tens of thousands of people were injured, it's already happening again in Iranian universities now. People are tired of the situation. Iranians will not accept to be ruled by a bunch of uneducated Mullahs in poverty with $100 monthly salaries while the families of the regime live in prosperity and luxury in the West and refuse to return $11 billion dollars of oil money back to Iran.
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What are you talking about? Those guys were Warriors. They were there to sacrifice themselves. You cannot compete them with the Supreme Leader. You have no idea if thy touched the Supreme Leader of Iran. The whole Shia world will come after them. This is a major problem.West doesn't know what kind of crap they talking about, what kind of crap they are doing
 
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