Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[The SC]

News:

South Korea calls on its citizens to leave Iran
Italy calls on its citizens to leave Iran
Germany calls on its citizens to leave Iran
Slovakia calls on its citizens to leave Iran
Serbia calls on its citizens to leave Iran
Sweden calls on its citizens to leave Iran
Spain calls on its citizens to leave Iran
France calls on its citizens to leave Iran

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[mulj]

The whole idea of an IADS without a capable air force to complement it is delusional for two basic reasons:

First of all, even when you are using a fully mobile system like S-300, you still need to remain stationary to track targets with precision from a reference point. You cannot launch a huge missile from a truck that is bouncing up and down on the road. So, even when all components are mobile, to operate during war time, you still need to be stationary which means you can be detected and targeted by the enemy.

Secondly, even the best long-range systems like S-500 can hardly lock on targets that are more than 500kms away from them. That is still too short to stop the enemy from firing ALBMs and ALCMs over the sky of your neighboring countries. If your air force cannot create a buffer zone to prevent that from happening, your AD remains vulnerable and it's a sitting duck for your enemy. This is exactly what happened in Israeli strikes on Iran in Operation Days of Repentance and Operation Rising Lions.

In that case iads are redundant, all enemy has to do is lobbying albm onto targets.

 

[ShapurII]

In that case iads are redundant, all enemy has to do is lobbying albm onto targets.

They won't be able to do that if your air force can create a buffer zone to stop them from launching ALBMs/ALCMs. Besides that, modern IADS also feature anti-ballistic capabilities.

An air force is an important, critical part of an IADS. The ability of your air force to communicate with your radars and even SAMs significantly improves your defensive capabilities over the skies of your territory and neighboring countries.

 

[Ali_Baba]

In that case iads are redundant, all enemy has to do is lobbying albm onto targets.

if you invest in SHORADs, LOMADs and CIWs, then you can neutralise ALBMs.

 

[BHAN85]

Donald Trump is most certainly stupid enough to order a tactical nuclear strike on some of the heavily defended missile bases, but the problem for the USA is that if he does, then that gives the green light to Russia to start using them in Ukraine.

Maduro capture was not greenlight for Zelensky capture.

Nagasaki and Hiroshima bombings were not greenlight for USSR usage of nukes.

USA ruling elite is different and they don't expect fair treatment.

If Iran war escalates until USA warships sinking, then USA likely will want nuclear bombing over Iran. Like Pearl Harbor was justification for Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Maduro capture was not greenlight for Zelensky capture.

Nagasaki and Hiroshima bombings were not greenlight for USSR usage of nukes.

USA ruling elite is different and they don't expect fair treatment.

If Iran war escalates until USA warships sinking, then USA likely will want nuclear bombing over Iran. Like Pearl Harbor was justification for Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

The Russians are waiting for the Americans to use a tactical nuke, be under no illusion on that.

 

[Tehrani021]

If the US uses tactical nukes on Iran, you won't be given a chance to develop nukes to retaliate.

Japan was nuked twice with weapons that were considered strategic at the time. Look at Japan now. Did they ever even think of retaliation against the US? No.

Please don't compare Japan with Iran. Two totally different cultures and faith.

 

[Tehrani021]

It is not my assumption or even Max's; he is saying that Trump would like to wrap up in two days by using tactical nukes.
BTW, the impact of nukes--the psychological impact, that is--is not be underestimated; they would not be just nukes destroying some military targets but as 'warning' to escalate such strikes further; study Hiroshima and Nagasaki for that. And who is going to stop Trump from doing so?? It is a jungle out there!

I dont particularly care who's assumption it is to be frank, brother. It's half baked and not realistic. And as I said to Shapur, comparing Iranian military, who have a different culture and religion i.e. belief on afterlife, to that of Japan in the 40s, is too simplistic and not a like for like comparison...just full of assumptions. These nuke attacks would have to cause regime change, which they probably won't, but will rather embolden Iran to make their own nukes, unless of course Iran is wiped off the map or there is a regime change on the back of it. I have yet to hear anyone counter what I'm saying here.

 

[Kyussis]

half of your imaginary bloc already recognises and trades with Israel

Half? Who are the other half that are standing up to Zionists? The only Sunni country I can think of that has a hostile view of Israel is Algeria.

 

[hyperman]

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Iranians really looked at this map and decided, yes, let me support the same Separatist Terrorist organization that Lindsey Graham and Israel are supporting. and give them 358 loitering missile and other weapons.

And now their fanboys still curse at Turkey and rant about NATO and Israel and whatever, despite Turkey helping by supplying intelligence on PKK operatives crossing from the KRG into Iran or PKK troop movement from Syria to Iran.

Real lol 200IQ people.

 

[BHAN85]

The Russians are waiting for the Americans to use a tactical nuke, be under no illusion on that.

Russia will face same consequences if they use nuclear weapons, no matter if USA uses it or not.

And if Iran sinks American warships, you can expect even strategic nukes, not just tactical.

Anyway it's unlikely Russia using nukes in Ukraine, because Russian friends and enemies are mixed in Ukrainian soil. And it's near to Russia soil.

 

[aerospace_enthusiast_newb]

if you invest in SHORADs, LOMADs and CIWs, then you can neutralise ALBMs.

Intercepting ALBMs is very difficult. You have shorter reaction time and it's harder to predict its path. Look at Ukraine, they have managed to intercept Russian ground launched ballistic missiles, but open-source estimates of ALBM interceptions are significantly lower.

 

[the saint]

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[Aryobarzan]

Protests in Iranian universities has now spread to most universities in Iran..Student asking for the return of "Pahavi" ..
below is the protests in Iranian "MIT" university soon to be renamed to its original name "Arya Mehr" university of Technology.. Students hoist the National flag of Iran instead of the IR flag

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[Meengla]

I dont particularly care who's assumption it is to be frank, brother. It's half baked and not realistic. And as I said to Shapur, comparing Iranian military, who have a different culture and religion i.e. belief on afterlife, to that of Japan in the 40s, is too simplistic and not a like for like comparison...just full of assumptions. These nuke attacks would have to cause regime change, which they probably won't, but will rather embolden Iran to make their own nukes, unless of course Iran is wiped off the map or there is a regime change on the back of it. I have yet to hear anyone counter what I'm saying here.

Firstly, Iran doesn't have a nuclear option left. I don't know why you and others keep bringing that up. You people might benefit from studying what and how long it took for Pakistan starting January 1972 to reach a credible nuclear weapons state and that too with partly American connivance.

As to comparing the use of tactical nukes by the Americans on Iran with the nukes on Japon, while unlikely, but not impossible. I hope there is no nukes dropped on Iran but I also believe the main thing stopping an attack on Iran is the fear of American casualties and everything will be done to reduce them. Everything! That's because an attack on Iran has not even been 'sold' to the American public and so it will be very difficult to justify body bags coming to America. And that's where Iran has an advantage: A reluctant enemy and someone yesterday even posted Iran trying to figure out how to inflict maximum American casualties as a deterrent against the war. Americans know that and they would try to do to counter that; President Trump cannot take significant number of American body bags!!
In short, I don't rule out tactical nukes on Iran.