Operation Ghazab Lil Haq (Pakistan - Afghanistan War)

Dalit said:
The Taliban aren't going to change in another 1000 years. They don't recognise the Durand Line. There is absolute enmity by Taliban and Afghans against Pakistan. That won't change anytime soon.
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Right. As this American ex-serviceman replied to me on NY Times Comments section today. When warfare, killing, strife becomes a way of life...



"It’s always been a way of life. The tribes there have been at war one way or another since before Alexander the Great invaded and founded Kandahar.When I was deployed there, the US Army found one of the easiest ways to prevent attacks on US positions was simply to pay the warlords not to attack. It’s kind of ironic, but, the tribal warlords over there are basically like US billionaires. They have no allegiances to flags, kings, presidents, or nations. They couldn’t really care less what the land they lord over is called on a map. What they care about is their own territory and their own power.So, to them, it didn’t matter if they were taking money from the Taliban, Putin, the US, or China. Sometimes they’d take money from *all* sides. And if the payments were late? They’d send a few mortars, rockets or IEDs into a mountain valley to remind the US why payments needed to be made on time.I do feel bad for the children of Afghanistan. Because that’s why the cycle of war hasn’t been broken for thousands of years. The only thing their fathers know is war. And they teach their sons war. Those boys grow up and teach their sons war and so on and so forth. And the cycle perpetuates on throughout the ages. For thousands of years."
 
Dalit said:
Impossible as long as Afghanistan remains a proxy of India.

Be under no illusion. The Taliban and India share the same ideology when it comes to Pakistan. Both have territorial disputes with Pakistan. Both joined hands against Pakistan due to their shared grievances.

The Taliban aren't going to change in another 1000 years. They don't recognise the Durand Line. There is absolute enmity by Taliban and Afghans against Pakistan. That won't change anytime soon.
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That’s a different point. But my main point was that we don’t think anyone (including Afghans) is beneath us, the way Indians think about Pakistanis, or Israelis think about Pakistanis. We want good relations with everyone, including India.
 
unconventional said:
That’s a different point. But my main point was that we don’t think anyone (including Afghans) is beneath us, the way Indians think about Pakistanis, or Israelis think about Pakistanis. We want good relations with everyone, including India.
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That is true and good in an ideal world.
 
M. Sarmad said:
History is instructive... In 1971, India returned the territory it occupied in West Pakistan even before releasing the 90k prisoners of war... In 1999, Pakistan was compelled to withdraw from Kargil. That is how the international system functions... territorial grabs, however tactically tempting, rarely translate into lasting legitimacy.

Annexing another country’s land is an immediate international red flag... It invites sanctions, isolation, and sustained global blowback...
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This is not the Pakistan military of 1999.

A lot of work has been done in capacity building in all areas including its philosophy and methodology.

They didn't have a choice. It was either evolve or collapse.

A buffer zone will be required. 2 years of no blasts in Pakistan it can be reviewed.

Besides the fauj haven't even got into their real work yet. This is just breaking down eastern taliban command to clear the way.

Key infrastructure and main leadership is still intact. It will all be systematically destroyed. We will see Kabul without electricity soon.
 
Master Chief said:
Again, nobody said "annex land".

Yes indeed - history is instructive.

In this regard, we shall point to Israeli deployment of multiple "buffer zones" if USA or lowly Hindustan dare to criticise our approach to our security. USA, under Trump, will not have a problem anyway.

Regarding 1971, Hindustan directly annexed and handed over an entire wing of this nation to Dhaka rebels, and you are trying to suggest there was some net zero outcome because a part of erstwhile West Pakistan was restored to Islamabad?
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The entire debate began with jingoistic calls to annex Wakhan. Since you’ve now stepped back from that position, there’s little left to debate...

As for Israel, we are neither in its position nor operating under its strategic ecosystem... We cannot replicate that model, nor should we aspire to...

And India did not annex East Pakistan in 1971. It did something far more calibrated.. it exploited internal fault lines, weakened Islamabad’s grip, and enabled fragmentation from within. That is precisely the distinction I was drawing, between crude annexation and strategic destabilization (and subsequent fragmentation)...
 
Gripen9 said:
Curious, Did India recognize them as legitimate Afghan government?
I know Afghan FM was officially received and welcomed in India.
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Only Russia has recognized the Taliban regime. India is almost there, with the FM visits and engagements, but not formally yet.
 
Propaganda accounts in Turkish to sway opinion... Credit where due Afghan psyop has been on point.
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r3alist said:
Some of these takes are just suspiciously dim

A modern army is taking on a very troublesome rabble who are literally no more technologically advanced than the 1950s or something.



The heck do you need China to give support?


And by the way the ultimate goal is to pacify and then ultimately cooperate with Afghanistan.



Finding angles to undermine strong allies is very illogical
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Absolutely right. Others will officially state what they need to state for their own optics. I cannot believe some here are questioning official lines from PRC, Turkey etc. If they don't drag us to any sort of "negotiations", then they get a free pass to say what they like (within reason of course).

Trump is different. He is a wild card and says what he likes anyway, regardless of optics. I don't think he minds much.

One thing I do hope for though is that somehow Iran can stave off any Israel-USA attack on them during this time because we are too busy now to offer any diplomatic support! The timing of this taliban misadventure seems orchestrated by their various handlers.
 
Dalit said:
Of course. That is my point. The Turks are looking out for their interests. Do you remember how Erdogan wanted to be in charge of Afghan airports after NATO withdrawal?

Why Turkey wants to be in charge of securing Kabul airport

Ankara has a lot to gain from taking on this crucial responsibility and thus remaining a key player in Afghanistan after the US withdrawal.

www.aljazeera.com

Why Turkey wants to be in charge of securing Kabul airport

Ankara has a lot to gain from remaining a key player in Afghanistan after the US withdrawal.
www.aljazeera.com www.aljazeera.com

It is about influence and control.
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The turks will expand where they can, they used to be rulers of Eurasia, and they still have that mentality. Of all the nations Pakistan is probably more likely to benefit than to have cause for worry

It is in fact Israel who is pushing India to take on Turkey, which already implies how much Pakistan Turkey cooperation it's concerning to others
 
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