Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Immortals]

Iran will not be allowed to rebuild anything anymore if this happens or will get slapped down again, but more decisively.

Missiles are not the answer. Yes they are great at causing chaos and wasting interceptors, but how many soldiers did Iran kill? How many ships did it sink? What about straight of Hormuz?

Missiles are great and have their place, but realistically relying on them to destroy your enemy is not realistic.

Also you forget it is the dawn of AI. Within 10 years, AI will likely reach super intelligence. Which means Americans/Chinese models will be able to tell you how to build a jet engine, hypersonic scram jet, robotics, etc. Knowledge will be everywhere and accessible by all instead of hoarded by top nations.

So like I said, don’t just assume Iran can never come back. Eventually the U.S. empire will decay under its own weight and not be able to support such a massive military foot print forever. Could happen in 10 years or 100 years. But all Empires have their end. I think the U.S. isn’t that far away on that scale.

 

[PakAl]

The Israelis and Americans have a clear objective which is the complete destruction and removal of Iranian military leadership.

What objective does Iran have from this point forward? Iran was dragged into the war unwillingly, but it must now survive. It is clear as daylight that Iranian military rulers won't survive a conventional campaign. Firing missiles infinitely won't have the desired effect. The only proper chance for survival in my humble opinion is going nuclear.

Israel made clear statements that they want regime change in Iran, but somehow people still believe maybe Israel will back off if Iran signs deal. The regime is now finished. Trump also made it clear a nuclear iran will not be acceptable, Usa Israel attacked because they know Iran does not have the bomb and they destroyed the facilities. The only option left is for the IRGC to surrender, allow the Shah or someone else to overtake, they will dismantle the islamist government and IRGC, Iran will be like Iraq. If they continue to resist then it may lead to civil war, rebellions and much more killings. I also thought iran had the bomb but looks like it was all western propaganda like WMD one.

 

[Tehrani021]

Missiles are not the answer. Yes they are great at causing chaos and wasting interceptors, but how many soldiers did Iran kill? How many ships did it sink? What about straight of Hormuz?

Missiles are great and have their place, but realistically relying on them to destroy your enemy is not realistic.

Also you forget it is the dawn of AI. Within 10 years, AI will likely reach super intelligence. Which means Americans/Chinese models will be able to tell you how to build a jet engine, hypersonic scram jet, robotics, etc. Knowledge will be everywhere and accessible by all instead of hoarded by top nations.

So like I said, don’t just assume Iran can never come back. Eventually the U.S. empire will decay under its own weight and not be able to support such a massive military foot print forever. Could happen in 10 years or 100 years. But all Empires have their end. I think the U.S. isn’t that far away on that scale.

But with a surrender to Trump, it's hard to see what incentive Iran will have to get militarily stronger. It's sole enemy will be its master.

 

[tower9]

How did "surrounded by enemies" happen? I know the history of enmity between Iran and U.S., how did everyone else become Iran's enemy?

Because the Islamic Republic is extremely ideological and sought to export it's revolution when it's neighbors were either conservative Sunni monarchies or Arab nationalists.

 

[Fatman17]

There is a lesson here for Muslim countries and people.
If you are Not United - then this is the Result.

 

[Immortals]

We were talking about the plausibility of Larijani being a mole earlier, I seem to recall.

It doesn’t explain how the Larijani family got weakened by other factions and SL himself . Then in stunning reversal in last few years one of them became the Supreme Leaders right hand man.

Even Rafsanjani couldn’t recover after the Supreme Leader weakened him.

 

[Viet]

They only need to worry about the infiltration of the CIA/Mossad spies, but the US/Israeli missiles/bombs currently pose no threat to them.

Iran is a hopeless case. Weak army, weak economy, desperate people seeking for food and water, 0 ally, 0 friends, 0 domestic support except the religious groups, endless circle of conflicts and wars. If this war is over, next war coming to Iran. And repeat.

Trump can focus on next target: Cuba.

 

[Meengla]

Why do you think Kim Jung Un hasn’t been bombed in his compound? You don’t think that 24 F-22’s could fly into North Korea and take him out in the middle of the night or even in day light?

North Korea's 'nukes' are the massive conventional firepower short distance from Seoul. Iran's 'nukes' were the militias like Hezbollah with supposedly 150,000+ rockets/missiles a short distance from Israel. I don't put much faith in NK's nukes to reach America nor I put much faith in Iran to have developed nuclear offensive capability like Pakistan/India/Israel have because Iranians were wishy-washy and a day too late, a dollar too short.
There is an unmistakable connection between Iran losing its militias by early 2025 and Iran finally frontally attacked in June 2025 and now. Israel/America never dared such frontal attacks before the fall of the militias.

 

[tower9]

But with a surrender to Trump, it's hard to see what incentive Iran will have to get militarily stronger. It's sole enemy will be its master.

That's why Iran is really left with no choice but to keep fighting to the end. They were left with no escape route. Their backs are to the wall.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Iran is a hopeless case. Weak army, weak economy, desperate people seeking for food and water, 0 ally, 0 friends, 0 domestic support except the religious groups, endless circle of conflicts and wars. If this war is over, next war coming.

Trump can focus on Cuba.

You are underestimating them.

 

[Falcon26]

Iran did not put effort? Palestinians didn’t put effort? The Lebanese?

Iran put in a brave effort but it was always a losing battle. After June 2025, one would have thought Iran learned a lesson and purged moles in its establishment but that doesn’t seem to be the case. You can’t win a war or even fight adequately when your political, military and intelligence apparatus is infiltrated and compromised.

Actually, given the above reality, it’s incredible how Iran is still in the ring and fighting.

 

[ARMalik]

Iran must not give up. It is tragic that its top leaders are dead but it is has MANY MORE LEADERS who can step UP and fill in the shoes. US/Israel hope that with the killing of senior leaders, there will be mutiny within the armed forces.

 

[Fatman17]

Missiles are not the answer. Yes they are great at causing chaos and wasting interceptors, but how many soldiers did Iran kill? How many ships did it sink? What about straight of Hormuz?

Missiles are great and have their place, but realistically relying on them to destroy your enemy is not realistic.

Also you forget it is the dawn of AI. Within 10 years, AI will likely reach super intelligence. Which means Americans/Chinese models will be able to tell you how to build a jet engine, hypersonic scram jet, robotics, etc. Knowledge will be everywhere and accessible by all instead of hoarded by top nations.

So like I said, don’t just assume Iran can never come back. Eventually the U.S. empire will decay under its own weight and not be able to support such a massive military foot print forever. Could happen in 10 years or 100 years. But all Empires have their end. I think the U.S. isn’t that far away on that scale.

Where is the IRIAF

 

[Meengla]

So nations can now assassinate world leaders and get away with it scot-free? Is this the message we want to send the world?

Looking at many of your posts in this thread, I hope by now you are a little calmed down and believe in real geopolitics and laws of physics.

 

[PakAl]

But I believe Iran may already have nuclear weapons but will reveal it at a dramatic timing later.

The timeline I see is :

1. Iran sinks a US Carrier

2. Like some say, US will use this as an excuse to launch a Tactical Nuke on an IRGC military target

3. Culminating in Iran making a Nuclear Test later, and declaring it is now a Nuclear Weapons State. Urge USA and all to accept Iranian enrichment and Ballistic Missiles or else Nuclear Escalation is an option.

To win this war, Iran needs to force the enemies to accept Iran's rights or suffer devastation in war if they still insist on making Iran capitulate, so Iran needs this NUKE scenario to make Satanyahu and Trump fold.

If they had the bomb then what are they waiting for, their army is being dismantled, leadership assassinated.