Aftermath of the Iran-US war and its effects on proximities

[MastanKhan]

God forbid, if tomorrow Pakistan were to be in the same position as Iran, and the USA and Israel attacked Pakistan together with India — then my question is: suppose we have 3 to 5 years for preparations, what kind of defense readiness should Pakistan build, of course with assistance from China? So that we can minimize losses and push them back? For example, I think we would need 3 to 4 squadrons of J‑35AE along with 4–5 KJ‑500 aircraft. We would need good and plentiful anti‑ship missiles, and of course we would need a layered, fully covered air defense system. This is a hypothetical question, assuming we have no restrictions on money — so what all should we prepare, and what should we acquire from China?

Hi,

There is a late 50's early 60's book by writer Nevil Shute titled 'On The Beach'.

The novel has discussed this scenario very well in detail.

Also there is a movie on this book as well---I believe the lead role was played by Gregory Peck---.

So---what shall we prepare for---???

After pushing all the buttons---we need to put our heads between our legs and kiss the world good bye---.

But please do find and read the book---the world will look different---if not the book---then look for the movie---if neither than read about the description of the book.

I have written about that scenario on this forum a few times.

 

[MNZGamerX]

The current war in the Middle East will have global impacts and not be confined to proximities and has the potential to partially reorder the world order but other events have also had an influence such as the Ukraine war but most importantly Gaza as I explained in my essay. We will need to wait till the end of 2027 to see if the predictions materialize -

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[东风夜放花千树]

Your criticism sounds very harsh, while being generally accurate. You left out an important aspect: Iran's proclivity to invent enemies and go to war based on trivial reasons. They spent a decade and lost a million souls, many young children, in the Iran-Iraq war over hardly any reason at all. The official reason stated was some dispute over toll charges on using a shared river. But that is like saying I killed someone because of difference of opinion on proper pizza toppings.

I don’t know what kind of education Americans actually receive; Americans are always accustomed to blaming all mistakes on other countries.

No matter how much Iran is criticized, it cannot serve as a reason for the U.S. and Israel to launch an aggressive war against Iran, especially during the period of peace negotiations between the U.S. and Iran. This makes efforts for peace a joke and makes other countries think that negotiating with the U.S. is dangerous.

From the American perspective, Iran's only mistake is obstructing America’s oil-dollar system, obstructing America’s use of the dollar to exploit the world, obstructing America and Israel from becoming the kings of the Middle East, and obstructing America and Israel’s ambition to dominate the Islamic world.

The U.S. has 19 military bases in the Middle East. The U.S. and Israel use these bases to attack Iran, and when Iran counterattacks these bases, the U.S. cannot provide security protection to these countries; air defense weapons are used to protect Israel. The U.S. enjoys rights but does not bear obligations. Middle Eastern countries need to seriously consider whether the U.S. bases are necessary.

War has its rules; war is the highest form and most violent means of expressing conflicts. The U.S. and Israel use methods such as triggering communication devices, kidnapping, assassination, etc., which are no different from terrorist organizations. These actions are not civil at all.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

This is a bad assessment---.

If the combat lingers on and severity increases then possibly in a week to 10 days---the USA might use a TACTICAL weapon on iran to end hostilities---.

Anti drone missile systems are extremey expensive---and with depleted inventory---the fear of loss will increase and that will result in that critical decision---.

 

[HAIDER]

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[HAIDER]

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[PK781]

Hi,

This is a bad assessment---.

If the combat lingers on and severity increases then possibly in a week to 10 days---the USA might use a TACTICAL weapon on iran to end hostilities---.

Anti drone missile systems are extremey expensive---and with depleted inventory---the fear of loss will increase and that will result in that critical decision---.

It may come sooner than later if the iranians keep hitting gcc countries, those countries will also pressure the us to use that option when they see the mounting losses and destruction of their evonomies.
Either both sides go ceasefire asap or iran takes a tactical nuke and nobody to come to its aid…..
If this drags on, its going to be really bad on iran if it gets hit with nukes….

“Faaris tabah ho jaiga” prophecy will be fulfilled then…..Naimat Shah predicted !

Man i sure hope better sense prevails and we don’t lose the region to destruction

 

[Michael]

God forbid, if tomorrow Pakistan were to be in the same position as Iran, and the USA and Israel attacked Pakistan together with India — then my question is: suppose we have 3 to 5 years for preparations, what kind of defense readiness should Pakistan build, of course with assistance from China? So that we can minimize losses and push them back? For example, I think we would need 3 to 4 squadrons of J‑35AE along with 4–5 KJ‑500 aircraft. We would need good and plentiful anti‑ship missiles, and of course we would need a layered, fully covered air defense system. This is a hypothetical question, assuming we have no restrictions on money — so what all should we prepare, and what should we acquire from China?

Relying on "weapons and equipment" for national security is a typical analytical misconception. Countless wars that have taken place on this planet since World War II have fully demonstrated that mere superiority in military equipment cannot determine the outcome of a war.

Regarding your hypothetical question (the USA and Israel attacked Pakistan together with India), I can offer my analysis and judgment:
If this day were to come (the USA, Israel, and India jointly attacking Pakistan), China would 100% intervene militarily in the war. This has nothing to do with China-Pakistani relations. This is the red line of China's national security strategy.

 

[Goenitz]

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@HAIDER worth listening. Crux it is not a clash of civilisations but neo-colonialism.

Now, this has no concrete direction, but tries to connect different nodes

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[Fatman17]

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I would like members to post their opinions here and discuss the effects of the Iran-US war in the neighbouring regions. Please also post clips and news on the realignment of the Middle East due to this war. It can be security, political and economic impacts.

The crux of this video is Iran's war is linked to one of our fault lines, which can be exploited. Now, adorning Trump can backfire as he is not the pacemaker. So, how should we navigate in this quagmire?

I was thinking if we can merge it with the 'Protest erupts...' thread as it is kind of an aftermath. Also, Iranian and gulf memebers should post here so we can get some insights. Perhaps, then we can move the thread to the Middle Eastern section.

At the moment there is no After just Math

 

[Serendipity]

Hi,

This is a bad assessment---.

If the combat lingers on and severity increases then possibly in a week to 10 days---the USA might use a TACTICAL weapon on iran to end hostilities---.

Anti drone missile systems are extremey expensive---and with depleted inventory---the fear of loss will increase and that will result in that critical decision---.

This is my greatest fear as well. The narrative that this is a rougye regime thst has attacked over a dozen countries in a week and aspiring for nuclear weapons is very dangerous. One single false claim of a nuclear device being tested will elicit and immediate direct nuclear attack- and it will not just be a tactical weapon. There is enough malice in the mix from Israel. They will try to make an example of it.

This is a checkmate situation and Iran played its moves very poorly.

 

[RescueRanger]

At the moment there is no After just Math

Beautifully put, I love how all these people on TV and YouTube are engaging in doomer "Analysis".


Average "YouTube" analyst right now.

 

[imadul]

developed flaws in their religious and political discourse in past three centuries so there is a vast strategic gap. At this time we can only try to mitigate the damages

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For the historical context, Muslims developed flaws in their religious and political discourse in past three centuries so there is a vast strategic gap. At this time we can only try to mitigate the damages.

1. Pakistan has to take the lead. Not sure who can do that? IK in jail.
2. Islamic select groups conference must be called by Pakistan. Asim Muneer lead it or Bilawal, IDK. These are all we got.
3. Pakistan, Türkiye, KSA, Egypt, BD, Indonesia, Malaysia, Iran, Jordan too (Jordan window to USA, Israel), Qatar, Oman.
4. China, RF, Spain, Ireland as guest.
5. Call by this conference to stop all hostilities and determine responsibility of this war.

At strategic level:
1. Defense and economic alliances.
2. Trade between Islamic block and cohesive policies on economy.
3. Stop UAE, and others to run anomalous agendas.
4. Build a pivot. --> Pakistan,
Türkiye, KSA, Egypt, BD, Malaysia, Indonesia --> aligned with China-RF
5. Dialogue with agreeable Western countries --> Spain, Ireland, Italy, Canada.

Pressure, soft power, economies, Military

 

[Goenitz]

Allama Nasir Abbas said today in front of Karachi Press Club. A total of 23 lives were lost. The person who was firing was part of a group of 9-10 people who also had petrol bombs. SHO was informed, but he did nothing.
The news is not getting discussed in digital media.

Lucky for the consulate, TTP or BLA were not there as the police didn't barricade and stood idle far away.

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