Aftermath of the Iran-US war and its effects on proximities

[PakAl]

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[PakAl]

Posted in iran-israel thread

For the historical context, Muslims developed flaws in their religious and political discourse in past three centuries so there is a vast strategic gap. At this time we can only try to mitigate the damages.

1. Pakistan has to take the lead. Not sure who can do that? IK in jail.
2. Islamic select groups conference must be called by Pakistan. Asim Muneer lead it or Bilawal, IDK. These are all we got.
3. Pakistan, Türkiye, KSA, Egypt, BD, Indonesia, Malaysia, Iran, Jordan too (Jordan window to USA, Israel), Qatar, Oman.
4. China, RF, Spain, Ireland as guest.
5. Call by this conference to stop all hostilities and determine responsibility of this war.

At strategic level:
1. Defense and economic alliances.
2. Trade between Islamic block and cohesive policies on economy.
3. Stop UAE, and others to run anomalous agendas.
4. Build a pivot. --> Pakistan,
Türkiye, KSA, Egypt, BD, Malaysia, Indonesia --> aligned with China-RF
5. Dialogue with agreeable Western countries --> Spain, Ireland, Italy, Canada.

Pressure, soft power, economies, Military

Not possible. Jordan Saudis Kuwait Uae Qatar Bahrain Egypt are all pro Usa and western, they will never leave Usa, Turkey is part of Nato, Indonesia Malaysia have always been neutral, Pakistan is 50 50 and neutral. I am afraid everyone is on their own. We had decades to improve relations, sign treaties but instead are divided in to different grouping. Pro Russia Pro China Pro Nato Pro Israel.

 

[HAIDER]

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in every program he give different statement, now something new ...

 

[alphapak]

The first thing Pak needs to do is to weed out all CIA, RAW and Mossad agents
from within the Army.

There was a time when most Army leadership had bugged Iphones gifted to
them by American Embassy, even Army Thief General Bajwa had 1. lol

 

[Respect4Respect]

in every program he give different statement, now something new ...

true, but i think he might not be wrong about this, Israel will go after Pakistan and Turkey if Iran falls, its in their DNA to hate Muslims.

 

[HAIDER]

true, but i think he might not be wrong about this, Israel will go after Pakistan and Turkey if Iran falls, its in their DNA to hate Muslims.

isn t it strange all Muslim countries falling one by one knowingly like house of cards ........... but never confront.

 

[imadul]

Not possible. Jordan Saudis Kuwait Uae Qatar Bahrain Egypt are all pro Usa and western, they will never leave Usa, Turkey is part of Nato, Indonesia Malaysia have always been neutral, Pakistan is 50 50 and neutral. I am afraid everyone is on their own. We had decades to improve relations, sign treaties but instead are divided in to different grouping. Pro Russia Pro China Pro Nato Pro Israel.

Pakistan is the only country that can take the lead to raise a united voice, but situation is Pakistan is worst than any other time in history. 3.5 years of unending instability. Still this hybrid regime, army chief, someone has to come out of safe basement.
Islamic countries have to be coaxed to stand, it is difficult, but has to be done.

 

[FarhanSiddiqui]

Islamabad on high alert. Containers have been placed around the Red Zone, (possibly due to Shia community protests against the U.S. embassy over khamenei's death)

Good to point out the sectarians and the ethnic differences in Pakistan. They are not Pakistanis but they are Shias, good point.

 

[hasssanali8998]

They are not Pakistanis but they are Shias, good point.

what did i say wrong ,were they not shia protestors , just factual information



btw i am also a shia

goodluck next time

 

[Abdul q]

The first thing Pak needs to do is to weed out all CIA, RAW and Mossad agents
from within the Army.

There was a time when most Army leadership had bugged Iphones gifted to
them by American Embassy, even Army Thief General Bajwa had 1. lol

That would need army uprising from within against Epstein gang backed lot…which i can’t see happening

 

[FarhanSiddiqui]

what did i say wrong ,were they not shia protestors , just factual information



btw i am also a shia

goodluck next time

Can you please stop creating divisions between Muslim Pakistanis.

You seem to be laughing on self deprecating jokes.

 

[PK781]

Relying on "weapons and equipment" for national security is a typical analytical misconception. Countless wars that have taken place on this planet since World War II have fully demonstrated that mere superiority in military equipment cannot determine the outcome of a war.

Regarding your hypothetical question (the USA and Israel attacked Pakistan together with India), I can offer my analysis and judgment:
If this day were to come (the USA, Israel, and India jointly attacking Pakistan), China would 100% intervene militarily in the war. This has nothing to do with China-Pakistani relations. This is the red line of China's national security strategy.

Thank you for stating this.

Unfortunately people, and many Pakistanis simply do not understand the geopolitics and the dynamic and strategic joint future of our 2 countries. They do not realize what China is and how they operate (to be honest its not easy for many to understand and grasp that). Same way they keep parroting and trying to be a salesmen of J10 and J20 and all that to countries that will NEVER see such tech and equipment in their hands. China will never compromise its technology and won't just sell it to anyone who offers money. But we know what is can and will do if Pakistan or China itself are threatened directly.

Long Live the Iron Brothers.

 

[PK781]

This is my greatest fear as well. The narrative that this is a rougye regime thst has attacked over a dozen countries in a week and aspiring for nuclear weapons is very dangerous. One single false claim of a nuclear device being tested will elicit and immediate direct nuclear attack- and it will not just be a tactical weapon. There is enough malice in the mix from Israel. They will try to make an example of it.

This is a checkmate situation and Iran played its moves very poorly.

sometimes belligerence and arrogance in anger lands you in very hot water, and iran is now skating on thin ice. The way they keep lobbing missiles on civilian areas in mideast, they will invite wrath on themselves. Shiites will downvote me anyway.
They are not destroying what should've been done (ALL power grids and power plants in israel) but keep lobbing on useless targets in gcc countries. This is why there is doubts being raised as to their true intentions.
I won't be surprised if they invite openly tactical nukes on themselves once all these nations start the retaliation thru the americans. And then they'll deflect the blame on Pakistan!!

 

[Watandar]

isn t it strange all Muslim countries falling one by one knowingly like house of cards ........... but never confront.

As Churchill said "An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last".

 

[Watandar]

Thank you for stating this.

Unfortunately people, and many Pakistanis simply do not understand the geopolitics and the dynamic and strategic joint future of our 2 countries. They do not realize what China is and how they operate (to be honest its not easy for many to understand and grasp that). Same way they keep parroting and trying to be a salesmen of J10 and J20 and all that to countries that will NEVER see such tech and equipment in their hands. China will never compromise its technology and won't just sell it to anyone who offers money. But we know what is can and will do if Pakistan or China itself are threatened directly.

Long Live the Iron Brothers.

Chinese and Pakistani people have little to no cultural, historical or religious links. Neither does Pakistan have some great image in China. So don't put your eggs excessively in the Chinese basket, a change of govt in China may end up resetting the relationship with Pakistan.