Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Daniel Murphy]

Pretty sure that's Ai.

Sound differential, probably is.

 

[StrategicBear]

I still can't figure out what Trump's and Netanyahu's endgame is. Especially after they had sunk the Frigate Dena yesterday.

If the goal is to neutralise Iranian nuclear capability, or general uprising requirement, they don't need to touch any of those frigates, and yet, they have sunk 3 of 4 of the Iranian newest frigates. (Sahand and Jamaran were sunk on Feb 28, and Dena was sunk yesterday on the 4th) And they were intentionally targeted because Sahand was sunk when it was moored, and Dena was even outside their AO.

Why are they targeting those frigates? Those aren't Anti-Air, it won't do shit on fighter/bomber or missile interception. And they aren't launching anything from the Area where those frigates operate, the US fleet was moored near Israel.......That sinking is doing something there, I don't quite get what they were trying to do......

Why? Because some members of the Trump Administration themselves stated this is a religious war, therefore why should it come as a surprise that Crusaders wants to maximize deaths and casualties among Shiite Muslim soldiers/sailors as much as possible?

Hegseth himself stated he's there to win this war and kill and destroy Iran, and he has the tattoo "Kaffir" on his arm...

 

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[That_Guy]

I don't think hundreds of US soldiers are dead, because it'd be too big to hide from news reports like CNN, etc, in these days where optics matter...
If that claim is even true, can those family members even make a noise on media complaining about Trump's crazy war needlessly killing their sons and daughters so those outside the US can know their real casualty numbers?

Correct.

Have dozens died? Probably.

Hundreds? Nope. Too big to hide in today's digital age. You'd see footage almost immediately of the bodies.

 

[koolio]

No evidence this is real.

The Americans dont launch ground operations without first bombing the shit out of the target zone, making sure its clear, and the bombing it again, and then sending in scouts, and then bombing it again, and the sending in troops.

I highly doubt US soldiers parachauted into Iranian territory.

Buddy you must have heard about news of Kurdish infiltration from north, guess it turned out be fake, mainstream western media were saying infiltration was imminent and it turned to be a hoax just for distraction, I know it's fog of war but the possibility of the operation by Rambo style special ops is very real, in any given scenario.

 

[j_hungary]

its simple power projection to show something to local audience

Those aren't big ships, it's definitely not power projection......3 out of 4 means they want to wipe it out, that also is not about power projection, there is something they want to do, and those frigate is blocking them (at least that is what they think), and it cannot be because Trump said they are going to escort the oil tanker thru Hormuz, first, this is undoable, with the fleet asset in the region, second, you need Destoryer to do that, and you don't clear enemy Frigate out of the way, Frigate is gear more toward Sub than Surface contact.

This isn't something they do to boast; this is tactical.

 

[That_Guy]

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Secondary explosions were big.

That was a weapons depot.

 

[T80UD]

Not managing to capture the Pilots was a major fumble on the Iranians part

 

[StrategicBear]

No evidence this is real.

The Americans dont launch ground operations without first bombing the shit out of the target zone, making sure its clear, and the bombing it again, and then sending in scouts, and then bombing it again, and the sending in troops.

I highly doubt US soldiers parachauted into Iranian territory.

Maybe they just happen to be incompetent this time? People can have their "days"... where they screwed up just for being unusually careless/incompetent.

 

[That_Guy]

Buddy you must have heard about news of Kurdish infiltration from north, guess it turned out be fake, mainstream western media were saying infiltration was imminent and it turned to be a hoax just for distraction, I know it's fog of war but the possibility of the operation by Rambo style special ops is very real, in any given scenario.

I never said anything about western media. Militaries dont operate on this logic.

 

[codeforfood]

I still can't figure out what Trump's and Netanyahu's endgame is. Especially after they had sunk the Frigate Dena yesterday.

If the goal is to neutralise Iranian nuclear capability, or general uprising requirement, they don't need to touch any of those frigates, and yet, they have sunk 3 of 4 of the Iranian newest frigates. (Sahand and Jamaran were sunk on Feb 28, and Dena was sunk yesterday on the 4th) And they were intentionally targeted because Sahand was sunk when it was moored, and Dena was even outside their AO.

Why are they targeting those frigates? Those aren't Anti-Air, it won't do shit on fighter/bomber or missile interception. And they aren't launching anything from the Area where those frigates operate, the US fleet was moored near Israel.......That sinking is doing something there, I don't quite get what they were trying to do......

they might be the only thing that could have potential to sail to d-garcia... who knows. getting close enough to get in the strike zone. So clipping the wings...

 

[That_Guy]

Maybe they just happen to be incompetent this time? People can have their "days"... where they screwed up just for being unusually careless/incompetent.

The Iranians themselves aren't reporting this in any official capacity.

Safe to say it isn't real.

 

[Fatman17]

Lawmakers in the U.S. Senate were set to begin voting on ‌a bipartisan war powers resolution aiming to stop the military campaign against Iran and require that any hostilities against it be authorized by Congress https://reut.rs/40NmUiN

 

[j_hungary]

Why? Because some members of the Trump Administration themselves stated this is a religious war, therefore why should it come as a surprise that Crusaders wants to maximize deaths and casualties among Shiite Muslim soldiers/sailors as much as possible?

Hegseth himself stated he's there to win this war and kill and destroy Iran, and he has the tattoo "Kaffir" on his arm...

Dude, if they want maximized death, they would have carpet-bombed Iran, or at least using Cluster Munition. They weren't doing that, and instead they sank 3 frigates? How many people can they kill with 180 frigates, and one of them is in Dry Dock, and I don't even know if the other one (other than Dena) was manned at that point.

 

[j_hungary]

they might be the only thing that could have potential to sail to d-garcia... who knows.

Problem is, they weren't using Diego Garcia......The Brits didn't allow them to.