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Flotilla
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It is called EMI test, Electromagnetic compatability test. You cannot fit differents radars and sensors and antennas over a mast like a chirstmats tree. You need to test separately first, in naval environment after and finally all together in a mast.
IRIN is ambitious and wanted to equip light combat ship with truly frigate systems (starting with the Sayyads) and you can see how IRIN fit a long range radar over Jamaran (Asr) later removed by unknown reasons (maybe IRIN was not satisfied with perfomance). And last image of the drills of Jamaran you can see how IRIN removed the ECM antenna (was fitted just in front of the mast) and fitted instead a IR/EO seeker like the one of the Majid system (same as Sahand for Kamand). Jamaran also seems to mount a "blank radar antenna" like Dena, but without close pictures I cannot say nothing.
Anyway IRIN has been building corvettes from scratch only the last 20 years. Those corvettes have been heavily armed to the teeth, and all of them are designed in differents ways, presumably just to test naval techniques and refining naval systems (radars, sensors, communications and even engines, please remember how different it is machinery in Sahand with 4 engines, and Jamaran, with 2 engines). That remembers me the tortuous path taken by the chinese PLAN with early Type 052 frankenstein destroyers, that mixed european and american systems with russians and reverse engineered (crotale, for example) weapons. Moudge class seems to be the same. Test and mistake, test and mistake, and starting again. That is the only explanation about disparity in weaponry (mainly Fath Vs. Kamand, GAM B01 Vs. 23mm guns, for example). Some kind of maturity was reached between Damavand and Dena, where you can see ECM equipments and WM20 radars in top of the mast from the beginning. I cannot understand why Darvishi shipyard builds usually more technological advanced warhips (Damavand was a step forward in front of the Jamaran) than ISOICO or INF at Bandar Abbas, while now Deylaman seems to be much rational and balanced than Sahand. But the truth is that even with disparity in configuration and equipment between ships (Shiraz it is radically different to the rest), some kind of maturity and standarization has been reached if finally ISOICO´s unit it is like Deylaman. While we cannot compare Chinese economy and therefore their military budget, Iran seems to have taken same painful path of money, time and I+D in naval construction (typical of pariah military powers like China was until recent). And I want to remark that even with this diminished military convetional budget dedicated to the IRIN (in contrast to the IRGC Navy), few countries in the world could build in autarky condition a 1.500 sized warhip. So it is understable how problematic, slowly and disparity can reach the whole Mowj family development.
In contrast to such technological bottlenecks, IRIN is showing to the world how professional, brave and self-confident are. Let me put the example of Russian far naval deployments, that usually are accompained by a tanker... but also with a oceanic or even two oceanic tugs!!!!!. Let´s be honest. First Jamaran crossed the Cape city, in a more than challeging high seas deployment. A year or two later Sahand crossed half world for that russian naval parade and finally Sahand and Makran circunnavigate the globe. All with no tugs, with no major failures or casualties. The last case was specially challenging because Makran is not a combat AOR like all modern navies use, and was not designed for naval military refuelling at sea. Even today you can see how in Bandar Abbas (main naval base) there are just one Alvand and one Mowj, while the rest are constantly deployed in foreign missions. That gives pure gold lessons for keep trained crews and officers, but also gives a modern naval doctrine to auto-learn how to organize and execute a oceanic deployment.
The future of IRIN is brilliant. They only need a bunch more of money to speed up their innate talent to learn how to build and operate warships.
Immortals
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Flotilla
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Well IMO a Mowj frigate is more armed even than Type 056/A chinese corvettes. Keep in mind that even without operative long range radars they are equipped with medium range Sayyad. So they´re the most armed light frigates in the world.
Gepard class are with 1.930 tons, so discarded that one.
Immortals
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The Sayyads is a recent development and likely still in testing phase. Prior to that they relied on SM-2 for defense. So for longest time Mowj was a underpowered 1960’s designed vessel. If you give me a 2-3 F-16’s then I could sink a Mowj or put it out of commission with glide munitions.
And what “firepower”? Sayyad are defensive weapons. Iran’s Mowj vessels rely on 20+ year old C-802 derivative CMs. No modern navy vessel is quacking in their boots worried about C-802’s. Mowj still lack any VLS component so outside of the Noor or Ghadir missile canisters they rely on cannons for offensive fire power.
So “armed to teeth” is a bit misleading when the weapons on board are relatively dated (minus the recent addition of Sayyads which again is a defensive weapon).
Immortals
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One is a modern designed ship, another one is a ship taken out of 1960’s.
Again back in 2005 this ship made sense for Iran’s first attempt at a larger frigate.
But it’s 2024 and Iran Navy has yet to branch off to a more modern design other than some Toy ship models they showed off to military brass. Meanwhile IRGC-N first frigate is a much more modern design.
IRIN and IRIAF and IRI-GF (ground forces) are all stagnant branches that can’t break out of reverse engineering old designs. IRI-GF recently showed off ANOTHER modernized M-60 upgrade package. IRIAF keeps unveiling Predator based drones and we all know where Kowsar is at.
Tehrani021
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What is the name of this first frigate by IRGC? Google is being very unhelpful.
muhammed45
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I don't know much about navy and its equipment but I read somewhere that said SM family of SAMs on American warships can conduct surface attacks. These airdefesne missiles can be used as surface to surface missiles.
Immortals
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I haven’t heard of any SM family missiles being used in that capacity in recent times, although it’s theoretically possible.
Russia has used S-300 missiles in a land attack configuration in Ukraine, and I believe Houthi’s have previously used old Surface to Air missiles to hit ground targets.
Not ideal, but possible. I’m not sure how that would work against a moving sea based target vs these examples of a fixed land target.
Flotilla
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No only they can be used for damaging a ship. A pair of Sayyad are useful to short down any reaper shadowing a flotilla sailing to South Africa to put an example.
Hack-Hook
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can you compare harpoon with C-802 derivative ?
usa still use harpoon
Hack-Hook
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those standard missile can do surface attack in any navy , in prying mantis those standard missile did a lot more damage to Iran navy than harpoon
Immortals
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Care to name which destroyer carries mostly harpoon?
Even 30 year old Arleigh Burke destroyer USS Laboon in Red Sea right now only has just 2 harpoon missile launchers compared to its 90 cell VLS set up.
Iran relies on Qadir and Noor as the backbone of its anti ship fleet. Houthi’s have used C-802 going back to Obama era on US navy ships with no success.
That was 40 years ago…
Sahand was sunk by Harpoon and Sabalan by PGM. But whatever you say Captain Hack-Hook.
