Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

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Iran's answer to Israel+US massive missile shield: cluster munitions

these seem to be the only weapon consistently penetrating Israeli defences

Iran will need to fire 20+ missiles per day for 1-2 more weeks to start to deplete Israeli interceptor stockpiles
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I suspect that Israel isn’t firing interceptors at the cluster munitions and standing down or else the automation would want to fire 40+ interceptors.

If Iran used cluster munitions in TP1 or TP2 it would have quickly learned the best way to get penetration is a 1 or 2 cluster missiles for every 5-10 normal missiles in a salvo. It would overwhelm the targeting radar and cause more impacts.

If iran survives this, this should be the next goal when rebuilding the missile force. Along with next gen aid penetration like dropping aluminum leaflets in upper atmosphere to cause radar beams to refract wildly
 
Cicero said:
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Looks like missile attacks are mostly over and it is mostly drone warfare now. If this trend continues, war may end soon, hopefully.
 
RescueRanger said:
Well whatever Iran does it must do it quick - as it stands based on available simulation models run using AI from SenSusQ Iran can overwhelm the defenses of Israel with a barrage of missiles and drones - but this model takes into account that the bulk of the Iranian thrust is at full or near full strength.

The AI model is slightly biased in the favor of Israel early warning radars to detect Iranian threats. This is due to the model being fed information based on research from the 12-day war when Israeli defense systems were tested to peak capacity:
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For this simulation I used Iranian weapon systems:
  1. EMAD Missile
  2. Shahed Drones
  3. KALBIR
  4. ZOLFAGHAR
  5. FATEH
I set the scenario to launch intermittent swarms of Shahed drones in between missile launches particular ZOLFAGHR and FATEH to overwhelm the defense batteries.

From the Israeli side the systems in place for this simulation were:
  • IRIST Radar
  • David Sling
  • Arrow 3 and Arrow 2
  • THAAD
  • Patriot Batteries (Nrth Tel Aviv)
I then ran the simulation at 150x speed to test the results, although slightly off my original predictions you can see why the Israeli's and the Americans targeted Western Iran so hard in the beginning of the campaign - this was do weaken Iranian capability to launch concentrated strikes against Israel as we witnessed last year.

Here is the simulation video:
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This tactic by Israel left Iran with the only viable choice to use its remaining missiles and offensive capabilities to target threat vectors closer to its borders.
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I am not defending Iran's decision to attack neighboring gulf nations, not my place. All I am saying is explains Iran's tactics thus far in the war.
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⚠️ However by losing the ability to conduct large scale missile strikes deep into Israeli territory - Iran leaves itself exposed to threats along the western sector particularly along Urmia and Tabriz and border regions adjoining northern Iraq where Israel has been targeting police and security force compounds.
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I watched a few podcasts on this conflict and from what they were discussing, it made 100% sense to me why Iran is taking out the Petrol-Kings. The way the petrol dollars work is these countries sell their petrol in dollars and then reinvest the same dollars into the US economy (specifically the banking system) which allows the US to borrow large sums of funds at a lower interests rate. The investment along undercuts any debt the US holds as it provides the Americans low cost, immediate cash. Its cycle repeated since the 1970s.
If you stop the oil production in the Gulf and collapse their economies, the financial muscle withered away.

A lot of people do not understand the full picture. I'm not surprised at the strategy Iran is using. Only thing I'm somewhat confused is why Iraq (Baghdad specifically) hasn't been taken over by the Iraqis Shia. Iraq is another jewel in the crown of the petrol dollars.

The Russians and Chinese are likely providing intelligence at a safe distance. Probably a lot of we don't know.
 
EugeneP said:
No need for conspiracy, people die from many reasons. Could be a heart attack, traffic accidents, food poisoning . . . During 1991 Iraq war, more troops died by traffic accidents than by enemy fire! Driving in strange places without familiar signage, signaling & lighting can be dangerous.
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Yea a heart attack from a missile sound or sound of a coming drone. Totally non hostile.
 
JUST IN: US & ISRAEL CALLING FOR A CEASEFIRE

Iranian Foreign Minister, Abbas Araqchi:

“They are calling for a ceasefire again, this will not happen. There must be a permanent end to the war, and until we reach this stage, I think we need to continue fighting for the security of our people.”

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Looks London may be resuming insurance
 
EugeneP said:
Looks like missile attacks are mostly over and it is mostly drone warfare now. If this trend continues, war may end soon, hopefully.
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That's not what I heard or read. Col Mcgregor said the same occurred during the 12 day war, the missiles attacks slowed down as the Israeli AD ran short of interceptors which allowed Iran to use less missiles, but higher quality ones.
 
FUB said:
That is six launches from one spot simultaneously. Air superiority?
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Hey that last one was sejjil missile right?
 
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So, it was Ankara who stopped them for the time being. This is the single most important contribution to Iran's safety during this war.

For now the Kurds won't act unless the US provides reliable and genuine security guarantees. We'll see. Developments on the ground can change in a split second, though.

This is the Middle East after all.
 
Hassan Al-Somal said:
JUST IN: US & ISRAEL CALLING FOR A CEASEFIRE

Iranian Foreign Minister, Abbas Araqchi:

“They are calling for a ceasefire again, this will not happen. There must be a permanent end to the war, and until we reach this stage, I think we need to continue fighting for the security of our people.”

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If this is true, then Zio-US is almost certainly out of ABM interceptors.

Iran must at the very least carry out a 72 hour “punishment beating” on the Zionist entity to deter it in the future. This will require many dozens of missiles to hit strategic targets and severely damage or destroy them.
 
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EugeneP said:
No need for conspiracy, people die from many reasons. Could be a heart attack, traffic accidents, food poisoning . . . During 1991 Iraq war, more troops died by traffic accidents than by enemy fire! Driving in strange places without familiar signage, signaling & lighting can be dangerous.
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Yes just like in Operation Eagleclaw US choppers went down in desert to difficult windy conditions, right?
 
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EugeneP said:
No need for conspiracy, people die from many reasons. Could be a heart attack, traffic accidents, food poisoning . . . During 1991 Iraq war, more troops died by traffic accidents than by enemy fire! Driving in strange places without familiar signage, signaling & lighting can be dangerous.
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Oh I agree.
 

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