Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

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hyperman said:
Thats what so funny about it.

You pick up a Classical Islamic text, its more than likely written by a Persian or someone who at least linguistically is personate.

Abu Hanifa(who the largest legal school of Sunni Islam is named after) Persian.

The most famous classical compilation of Hadith in Sunni Theology. Sahih Bukhari, Persian.

Hujjut Al Islam, and the Sheikh al Islam the man who is responsible for Kalam and the defense of Sunni Orthodoxy with regard to Philosophy? Imam al Ghazali. Persian.

Fakhr al-Din al-Razi, one of the pioneers of Kalam. Persian.

Even the development of the Arabic language? Sibawayh Persian

Anyone who actually knows history knows this. Which is what makes both the Islam hating Persians and those who try to dismiss Persia's connection to Islam look like fools.

Not only that But Islam look the Persian language and Persian culture far and wide, whether it was the Ottomans and Seljuks to Anatolia and even the Balkans, to the Moghuls who carried Persian Language and Culture deep into the Deccans in the Sub continent. As far north as the Steppes of Kazakhstan, as far east as part of modern day China, and far south into Africa.
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Even if you step aside from Islam (which I do not underweigh at all, the Farsi contribution there is immense and precious), the foundations to the administrative approach that was adopted by the Seljuk and subsequently Ottoman empire were put in place by the political genius Nizam Al-Mulk. This is why these empires alongside the Safavid Empire must necessarily be categorized as "Turko-Persian" imo.

It's actually pretty astounding how little attention his Siyasatnameh gets as a text of political philosophy.

(as a side note: my current book is Poverty and Abstinence by Imam Al-Ghazali, and I've got Al-Razi in my shopping cart! The only non-persian there is Sayyid Naquib Al-Attas, and he himself is a Ba'Alawi Sayyid whose family originates in Basra.)
 
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Emirzad said:
Iranian blood pre and post Islam runs from South to Central to west Asia so does the culture, language. Islam rode through both. Also lets not forget that post Islamic Iranian empires themselves were huge and native, they could have left Islam if it was not the fabric of the society but they kept on propagating it. IRI is no difference, shia or whatever, they think of themselves as carriers of the Torch of Islam
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Even the Shah of Iran was practicing muslim.
 
TRUMP HAS 3 OPTIONS LEFT ON IRAN. ALL OF THEM ARE TERRIBLE.

Day 8 of the Iran war and the President is cornered. Here are his only moves:

OPTION 1: Declare victory and retreat.
→ The U.S. loses the Middle East FOREVER
→ Israel's days become numbered
→ Iran rebuilds and comes back STRONGER
→ America looks weak to every adversary on Earth
→ Trump's legacy = another Afghanistan

OPTION 2: Boots on the ground.
→ Massive American casualties — GUARANTEED
→ Iran is the size of Alaska, 90M people, ALL mountains
→ The U.S. couldn't beat the Taliban in 20 years with full NATO support
→ Iranian drones are shredding conventional military strategy
→ New generation of Iranian commanders are SMARTER than the ones killed
→ No exit strategy. None.

OPTION 3: Nuclear weapons.
→ The moment a nuke hits Iran — the ENTIRE world turns against America
→ Russia and China enter the chat IMMEDIATELY
→ Pakistan — Iran's nuclear neighbor — retaliates
→ Radiation poisons the entire region INCLUDING Israel
→ M.A.D. protocol activated. Civilization at stake.

Here's what nobody wants to say out loud:

The U.S. has the greatest air force in history. 8 days of bombing. And all they've achieved is political assassinations of leaders who were too arrogant to hide.

Iran's missile launches dropped from 350 on Day 1 to 15 on Day 8 — but their drones keep coming. Their proxies keep firing. Hezbollah just CAPTURED an IDF soldier. Saudi oil fields are under attack.

The old playbook doesn't work anymore. Drone warfare changed everything. China itself said: "You are not prepared for this."

Trump is stuck between retreat, quagmire, and armageddon.

There is no good option. Only bad, worse, and unthinkable.
 
tsunset said:
No missile with a warhead under 1ton will be launched at Israel
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Have they finally run out of old missiles, or are they preserving older missiles to run down interceptor stocks for the next round and for now, Israel will get the "good stuff" since the interceptors have dried up?
 

Oil APOCALYPSE IN Tehran As 'GLOBAL DEPRESSION' Looms​


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>> The guest is predicting $200 per barrel with pump prices of $6 for the USA.
 
Ali_Baba said:
Have they finally run out of old missiles, or are they preserving older missiles to run down interceptor stocks for the next round and for now, Israel will get the "good stuff" since the interceptors have dried up?
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i agree with your assessment. the interceptors have been depleted now they will send heavy hitters to cause maximum Infra damage to isreal.
 
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i have a problem, these are not Khurramsher-4 (Aka Khaibar) the heavy that are used look like to me Khorramshahr-2

which is a good weapon system as well.

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How things change so quickly- " Unconditional Surrender" to maybe it is not in our best interest to continue the war
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Fatman17 said:
OPTION 3: Nuclear weapons.
→ The moment a nuke hits Iran — the ENTIRE world turns against America
→ Russia and China enter the chat IMMEDIATELY
→ Pakistan — Iran's nuclear neighbor — retaliates
→ Radiation poisons the entire region INCLUDING Israel
→ M.A.D. protocol activated. Civilization at stake.
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(+) -> Russa feels more comfortable using tactical nukes against Ukraine if the USA or Israel use on in Iran!!!!
 
maverick said:
i agree with your assessment. the interceptors have been depleted now they will send heavy hitters to cause maximum Infra damage to isreal.
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Why do you say that ? The Israelis have the heaviest stocks of all intercepts and most of the Iranian missiles are still not making it to target. I read around here it will be another 2 to 3 weeks before the Israeli stockpile runs out.

It's the GCC that is running very low on interceptor stock and that's why you see a scramble there, like the transfers from South Korea.
 
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