Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Unknowntruth]

Warships from the UK, France, Italy and Spain are heading to Cyprus. Some have already arrived.

I suspect other European countries are going to follow suite.

That'll be immense firepower and anti-missile systems being pointed towards Iran. Distance from Cyprus and Tabriz is only 1,200 km.

If Turkiye triggers Article 5 (which I suspect Turkiye will), more NATO firepower will arrive at Iran's doorstep.

Biggest threat will be US and UK nuclear submarines in the Persian Gulf and the Strait of Hormuz armed with hundreds of cruise missiles. It'll be interesting to see what strategy Iran has adapted for this particular threat.

Türkiye is not going to get in a conflict/war with Iran.

What reason would Türkiye involve herself in this?

The UK base in Cyprus has nothing to do with Türkiye. Türkiye has its own issues with Greek occupied Cyprus.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

What I really don't understand is---where is the strategy---where are the tactics---where is the preparedness in all this from Iran.

Where are the defensive weapons---? The fire in the heart---the zeal to fight---the openness to lay down your life for your belief and your motherland is all good---.

But in the situation---this combat does not look like it has been planned a competent general---.

Or---has the incompetence reached the highest office of the defence forces of the nation---.

There is one thing that is universally true for all nations---when the managers become yes men in fear of their position----when a disagreement may get their loped off---when the zeal overcomes reasoning and experience---that is the time to be extremely wary---.

I come back to Mushahid Hussein's comments about his security concern to Larijni short time ago about the Imam's safety and Larijani casually rebuffing it---.

And then Imam's whole family is martyred in one go---that was a major major security lapse by allowing all of them to be together at one location---the web of deception is far deeper than what it shows---.

 

[TallarnDesertRaider]

Does Iran Pose a Real Threat to US Carriers? Debate Finally Answered For Good

In the previous installment we had mentioned one of the most talked-about topics being that of Iran’s final escalatory option of hitting an American aircraft carrier, and whether Iran is capable of doing it or not.

open.substack.com

Simplicius has another good article up on ASBMs, though this is one of his paywalled ones (might be able to redeem a free article, I'm a subscriber but IIRC if anyone isn't then you get like a free article to redeem every so often across substacks) . In general, very unlikely that any carrier could be hit with the missiles Iran does have at its disposal, given the difficulties of maintaining a line to the target without being interdicted yourself, or the carrier group simply repositions because satellite targeting is next to impossible.

Would require a carrier to actually enter the Strait of Hormuz and get within 300/150km of shore. Or just lob lots of drones in the general direction of a strike group and try and saturate PD - won't sink a carrier, but hit some planes on the top, or mess up the bridge, etc.

Hypothetically, I guess if one were to obtain a missile similar to Oreshnik, you could repurpose that kind of delivery vehicle to function as an area deterrent for a carrier group, as the individual submunitions are allegedly guided. But to what degree is unclear, and you must also acknowledge the difficulties of having something basically encased in plasma until the strike itself and having complicated guidance technologies within the submunitions.

 

[ToddE]

Has my boy @Persian Gulf left the forum? before him @Hack-Hook left. What is going on.

 

[ToddE]

Türkiye is not going to get in a conflict/war with Iran.

What reason would Türkiye involve herself in this?

The UK base in Cyprus has nothing to do with Türkiye. Türkiye has its own issues with Greek occupied Cyprus.

Turkey has ~600 Billion USD debt that comes from Zio/Neocon origin. They will do what the funders of the state (actual owners) will tell them to do.

 

[Psyko70]

Has my boy @Persian Gulf left the forum? before him @Hack-Hook left. What is going on.

Hope they are fine. PersianGulf provides credible news and is respectful.

 

[Bengal71]

they are used for close ranges, a couple of kilometers only, you can't have a fibre optic drone going 500/600 km

What 500/600km? This is for Hezbollah and Israel fight which happens at thr border. Fibre optic drones can be used for 50/60 km.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

China is taking pics, most of the satelite imagery I've seen is chinese.

Are those the daily satellite pictures of damage in Israel that are posted here...

 

[hyperman]

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[ToddE]

What does that have to do with anything?

Hand which feeds the state controls the state, its decisions even of strategic nature, policies etc. IMF, WB, crediting western institutions, investments funds are weaponized means of control.

How many countries are in debt?

Not IRI, DPRK, Russia and China also have minimal foriegn debts (public+private). Surprisingly all of these are villains of the world.

Does the U.S., France, UK, Germany, Pakistan, etc not have their own political agenda?

EU does what suits the Zios and Neocons, basically the power block inside US and pretty much entire western world (and their pups in other parts of the world). It has been same for past 70-80 years since WWII.

One big marker is how quickly post WWII, these countries switched from their own industrial sectors to foreign debted service sectors. Formula for destroying sovereignty.

US case is different, the massive financial giants call it home so state is controlled by them. Who do you think is attacking us? Trump or power trident of zios + neocons + corps that control the US state?

Nations do what’s best for them whether you agree with it or not.

Had that been going on, world would have had 8-10 superpowers atleast along with 20 great powers but thats not happening. Majority of the planet including resource rich ancient countries are poor as hell, always being attacked from outside, fighting foriegn wars on their own soil for mere survival. Rest end up debted, controlled from outside so rarely progress.

 

[Fatman17]

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[ToddE]

China has a massive amount of foreign debt, and Russia is literally owned by zionist, most oligarchs that control the economy there are Zios.

Not exactly. Both Russia and China have barely 11-13% foriegn debt on GDP. IRI has 1.3 %.

USSR got broken, Russia is global villain, IRI is fighting for its survival, PRC is the rival of west whose number will come in time. DPRK is no different.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt

Russian oligarchs are Russians or least Slavs. It like saying IRI is controlled by Iranian Ayatollahs.

 

[ToddE]

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Beautiful but wasted.

 

[Anatolia]

Not exactly. Both Russia and China have barely 11-13% foriegn debt on GDP. IRI has 1.3 %.

USSR got broken, Russia is global villain, IRI is fighting for its survival, PRC is the rival of west whose number will come in time. DPRK is no different.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt

Russian oligarchs are Russians or least Slavs. It like saying IRI is controlled by Iranian Ayatollahs.

Iran with 1.3% Debt are having their schoolchildren bombed to pieces. Not sure if that's a win. But you do you.

 

[Haz]

Not exactly. Both Russia and China have barely 11-13% foriegn debt on GDP. IRI has 1.3 %.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt

Russian oligarchs are Russians or least Slavs. It like saying IRI is controlled by Iranian Ayatollahs.

I don't know why my original comment was deleted exactly. There was nothing offensive or incorrect about what I said.

China has $2.3 trillion USD of foreign debt, that's not small by any measure, even if it's manageable by their incredibly large economy. Saying China has very little foreign debt is just factually wrong.

And Russia is owned by Zionist Jews, Slavs or not. Netenyahu is also a Polish Jew along with many of the European zionists that run Israel, many of them are likely Slavs as well. There are approximately 1.8million Russian zionist colonizers in Israel today. It doesn't matter they are actually Slavs.