Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

IRGC own stock of missiles are drying up and they can't attack israel in waves in coming days and weeks What happens when Iran stops and Israel and USA won't?
Yeah you definitely toured throughout out Iranian facilities to end up with this conclusion. Fire rate going down doesn't necessarily mean they have burned their stock.

Going by your equivalence, Qatar should stop intercepting Iranian BMs and Drones as they are getting low on AD interceptors.
 
What kind of argument is this? We are talking about Iran inability to defend itself as it couldnt build up proper conventional defense due to its proxy wars. Where does the idiot take of yours come into this argument? Spare me with your rehtoric and come up with proper arguments next time.
It could not build up a conventional defense due to sanctions from West and lobbying by GCC to persuade China and Russia not to sell to Iran either. This plus the Iran Iraq war were the reasons it selected the path it is on. This has been explained multiple times in this thread alone , if you had bothered to read.
 
Yeah you definitely toured throughout out Iranian facilities to end up with this conclusion. Fire rate going down doesn't necessarily mean they have burned their stock.

Much of the stock will survive unscathed. The problem will be launching it, and then making it effective.
 
Pity is that iranian constant support for armed resistance against Israel has complicated the Palestinian issue also.
This Rocket approach has killed any chance of israelo -palestinian deal.
Absolutely! Iran, in fact no person, group or state in the middle east should ever launch armed resistance against Israel leading to complications in resolving Palestine issue. All these complications and difficulties are due to resistance against the state of Israel. Israel always wanted to resolve its dispute with the Palestinians peacefully through genocide and other peaceful instruments of statecraft. The fault squarely lies on the shoulders of resistance movements. The need of the hour is surrender, capitulation and utter devotion to Epstein coalition. Hallelujah
 
We are discussing military strategy of Iran. Which is to impose cost on Israel
Maybe it isnt? Maybe they want to impose a cost on the entire region for ganging up on them.

And we can see the global economy going through shocks as we speak.
 
It is going to take one Israeli folly, or one misguided missile, which would destroy the Al Aqsa / Dome of Rock to turn this into a full blown religious war in which I am sure Israel will be gone. All those militias in Kurd region, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Yemen... they would turn their attention to Israel.
But, as of now, the Al Sharrah Jolani of Syria is moving his forces to counter Hezbollah; well, he was installed for a reason and greeted by Trump himself in the White House.
It is much more likely that a slight targeting error of a missile fired from Iran landing on a holy site than a missile fired from Israel. I have wondered why no one has thought of this. Israel is 2,000 KM away from Iran and the missiles that are not intercepted are falling all over the place and the debris of the ones that are intercepted fall in even more unpredictable manner. How may the world react if a holy place is hit?
 
Iranian Lithium UUV

A little while ago, I wrote about UUVs and how they will become a major threat to any large navy.

I want you to read the article. I’d also like to point out that Iran already has at least one of these models: the Azhdar. It reaches 18-25 knots, with batteries that can last up to 4 days in patrol mode and cover more than 600 km at low speed.

It’s not Iran’s ships that keep the Strait of Hormuz closed, it’s a highly modern asymmetric arsenal of UUVs, USVs, UAVs, anti-ship missiles, and fast boats armed with missiles.

I’d say the chances of the US-Israel having success in any forceful action to open the strait are very low.

Solid-State Batteries: Wolfpacks of Small UUVs Will Dominate the Seas

UUVs are currently the most dangerous threat to submarines and military surface ships. Their development is accelerating rapidly, and I would argue that the smallest ones are the most dangerous.

This week, the first solid-state battery ready for mass production was announced, with an energy density of 400 Wh/kg. By 2028, several companies are promising to reach 600 Wh/kg , roughly 3–4 times the density of today’s lithium-ion batteries.

This will completely transform naval warfare.
It not only renders conventional diesel-electric submarines obsolete but also creates an entirely new category of UUVs: small, mini, and extremely fast.

I’m talking about UUVs in the 250–350 kg weight, capable of sprint speeds of 45–50 knots.

They would carry a compact 50 kg warhead using modern explosives, including CL-20-based mixtures, inside a fuselage largely composed of solid-state battery cells, supplemented by a small 2.5 kVA gasoline generator with a snorkel for recharging.

These UUVs could be air-dropped, ships, submarines, from aircraft or larger drones, and operate in Wolfpack, sprinting up to 35 km to engage targets.

If the target pulls out of range, the onboard AI calculates that interception is no longer feasible and switches to recharge mode, surfacing discreetly, running the generator, and continuing to track the target via periscope or mast-mounted sensors. It analyzes surface images, estimates target course and speed, and calculates the exact energy needed for a new high-speed intercept, also getting data from satellites or drones, composing a versatile kill web.

A true high-tech wolfpack: persistent, autonomous, and capable of engaging both surface ships and submerged submarines (by forcing them to surface or detecting them when they snorkel).

Warhead design is evolving toward combined shaped charge + blast configurations: an initial shaped charge penetrates the outer hull or Kevlar spall liners (creating a breach and injecting energy), followed immediately by the main high-explosive blast that causes flooding, shock damage to equipment, and internal compartment failure.

This mirrors the mechanism of modern lightweight torpedoes.

A UUV carrying just 50 kg of advanced explosive in such a warhead would be capable of breaching the pressure hull of a Virginia-class submarine or the hull of an Arleigh Burke-class or Type 055 destroyers, causing serious flooding and likely achieving at least a mission kill. In successive impacts from a wolfpack, the damage would be catastrophic, comparable to that inflicted by an Mk 54 or MU90 torpedo.

Another key development is the refinement of UUV AI to prioritize initial strikes against propulsion systems (shafts, propellers, reduction gears, or waterjets), maximizing the chance of immobilizing the target early.

These are fully autonomous units that can loiter for weeks, hunting targets, making independent decisions, and even receiving software updates while recharging on the surface.

They fit into a broader ecosystem of UUVs, primarily propeller-driven, torpedo-shaped vehicles weighing 250–350 kg with warheads of 50–100 kg, but the range of designs and capabilities is expanding fast.

Their cost is orders of magnitude lower than any manned ship or submarine, and effective countermeasures do not yet exist. We are talking about a technology that could put billions of dollars in naval investments at risk.

The trend is clear: UUVs will continue to get cheaper, faster, longer-ranging, and smarter, while traditional platforms (surface ships and submarines) only become more expensive and vulnerable.

These wolfpacks will be supported and coordinated by drones, satellites, and motherships.

Just as drones have reshaped land warfare, UUV swarms are doing the same at sea.
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Much of the stock will survive unscathed. The problem will be launching it, and then making it effective.
Lunchers arent rocket science. They use cheap solutions and many times just abandon them after launching missiles.

But yes strikes on missile cities and rendering them "temporarily ineffective" is a real concern.

Also, afaik, MODAFL didn't stop manufacturing even in the height of last 12 days war. Pretty sure they aint running out of anything for now.
 
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That is a satirical post, if you read the names. Worry not; no one is reading random twitter posts for target selection. They have imagery that shows license plates clearly.
 
This is once again the kind of emotional rehtoric which looks good if you are fighting a neer-peer army. My friend people were enslaved by British army 200 years ago, now they flock to England and has greate relationship with them. You dont know future so don't make arguments that won't stand the reality in next 10 years.

We are discussing military strategy of Iran. Which is to impose cost on Israel while IRGC own stock of missiles are drying up and they can't attack israel in waves in coming days and weeks What happens when Iran stops and Israel and USA won't? Will this slavery and freedom rehtoric would serve Iranian any good? Hence my earlier contention of preserving their inventory and attacking those who are attacking Iran.

What point are you trying to make?

Muslims shouldn’t have gone to India - thus avoid being ruled by India?

But then they wouldn’t have expended Islam or got three new countries.

South Korea took your advice and accepted the west for materialism. They are now a Christian country.

Muslims cannot do that.

Yes, we are going to the west. But we are going there as Muslims not brown Christians.
 
Lunchers arent rocket science. They use cheap solutions and many times just abandon them after launching missiles.

But yes strikes on missile cities and rendering them "temporarily ineffective" is a real concern.

Also, afaik, MODAFL didn't stop manufacturing even in the height of last 12 days war. Pretty sure they aint running out of anything for now.

I agree with you that Iran will continue to have a formidable missile strategy for a long time to come.

Just how effective their use will be is the important thing to consider, given that the number of launchers is likely to go down steadily as they are picked off one by one, at a rate greater than what can be replaced.
 
Iran now denying the attack.
Then how and why was Erdogan so sure that the two missiles entering Turkish airspace were fired from Iran ?
As I mentioned elsewhere, there seems to be stark disagreement between Iranian civilian government and IRGC about who to attack and who not to.


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It could be one of the two:
  • Iranian Government has lost control over the IRGC.
  • Iranian Government claims plausible deniability while allowing IRGC to attack whoever it wants.
It'll be same as GCC countries saying they've permitted the US to use their land / airspace, but at the same time they can't stop the US from using their land / airspace due to whatever long-term agreements they had signed with the US.
 
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It could not build up a conventional defense due to sanctions from West and lobbying by GCC to persuade China and Russia not to sell to Iran either. This plus the Iran Iraq war were the reasons it selected the path it is on. This has been explained multiple times in this thread alone , if you had bothered to read.

Iran is selling OIL to china and was able to persuade Russia to join Syrian war and It sold thousand of drones to Russia in past 3 years. Do you believe yourself when you claim without proof Countries persuaded china and russia not sell Iran? . The sanctions from west was from the nuclear program which they stubbornly refused to stop. What benefit did nuclear program has given to Iranian except the sanctions, economic meltdown of country and economic hardships?

If it had abandoned nuclear program, focused on the conventional deterrent, not waste billions of dollars on proxies like Hezbolla, Yemen and Syria. They'd be getting attacked like that.
 
Absolutely! Iran, in fact no person, group or state in the middle east should ever launch armed resistance against Israel leading to complications in resolving Palestine issue. All these complications and difficulties are due to resistance against the state of Israel. Israel always wanted to resolve its dispute with the Palestinians peacefully through genocide and other peaceful instruments of statecraft. The fault squarely lies on the shoulders of resistance movements. The need of the hour is surrender, capitulation and utter devotion to Epstein coalition. Hallelujah
You got me for a second lol
 

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