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[_Arabia_]

You're asking a question that no one has an easy answer to or a straight clear path towards solving.

The Abraham accords will only provide a temporary peace, not a permanent one, because Israel has become and will increasingly move into an extremist direction in the future given their demographics, and they are not hiding their intentions, they will claim all the lands through war and violence that they think God has entitled them to. This includes waging war on all its neighbours, including Egypt and Saudi in the future.

It also will not tolerate a single state that can challenge it in anyway in the region, they are already drumming up the propaganda against Turkey and laying the ground work for future confrontations against it. Nothing will stop their violent behaviour until they are eradicated from the region, no treaty like the Abraham accords or whatever other BS they offer to ME states will actually prevent more violence and chaos at their hands.

But how you actually go about and destroy this Zionist demonic force given the current political make of the region is not something I have an answer for and no one else does either. There will need to be substantial structural changes to the regions leaderships and their governments that ends up in uniting them to finally be able to defeat this menace and defeat them, but I don't see this happening anytime soon. This struggle and violence will continue for decades if not much longer from the way things are.

I think that you are completely overrating Israel. They have failed to annex the small largely defenseless West Bank and Gaza for the past 77 years.

20% of Israel's population is made up by Arabs who are growing in numbers quicker than Ashkenazi/Eastern European Jews. The Israeli Arab Jews (2/3 of the population) are increasingly against what Israel is doing as well and would probably prefer fraternal/friendly ties with Arabs next door.

Israel will not be "eradicated" they have the strongest conventional army in the region (on paper) and are armed with 100-200 nuclear warheads. They have a nuclear triad as well.

The key here is that the Palestinians are going nowhere and already outnumber the Jews. If you include the Arab Jews within Israel this disparity gets even greater. So either they accept the 1967 borders and become even less relevant or they accept a one-state solution that will eventually turn them into another Arab state de facto.

Fantasies of conquering 120 million big Egypt or 40 million big KSA (by 2050 almost double that) larger than Iran and Iraq combined with some of the world's harshest geography (numerous mountain ranges, deserts etc.) is a pipe dream.

The Jewish/Zionist radicals (religious) are also going to die out within Israel as the younger generation, much like across the world, are less and less religious and less and less prone to believe nonsense prophecies etc.

Western analysts are already predicting that Israel will become a future GCC vassal state economically.

To be honest with you I have always looked at Israel as another Arab state (with 1/3 of Eastern European Jews - proven to be around 50% Middle Eastern/Arab in origin by all available DNA tests - in fact they cluster somewhere between Middle Eastern Arabs and Italians) - merely a Jewish equivalent just like I always looked at Lebanon as a Christian Arab state. Originally it was when it was carved out from Syria by the French. It is a war for land - much like the current Iran/Israel/USA war has nothing to do with Islam. Those are geopolitical conflicts and aims at having your "people" in power, in order to benefit from this economically. Nobody in power really cares about those slogans - they are mostly used as propaganda for the foot soldiers to go and die for some "greater idea" whether religion, nationalism etc.

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Global Shipping Company MSC: Announces the development of solutions for transporting goods from the world to the Gulf via King Abdullah Port and Jeddah Port

From Saudi Arabia to the UAE (Jebel Ali) and Qatar, Bahrain, and Kuwait

The company has benefited from the integration of logistical connectivity in Saudi Arabia

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Christians around the world celebrate Saint "Habasa bint Hayyan al-Harithi," famously known as "Elizabeth," and Saint "al-Harith bin Ka'b al-Harithi," famously known as "Arethas," both hailing from Saudi Arabia. Catholics commemorate the anniversary of their martyrdom on "July 27," while the Orthodox celebrate on "October 24" - Kingdom of the Trenches of Najran

@Foinikas

Several Byzantine emperors and dynasties were of Arab origin as well as were several Roman emperors. Same thing with popes.

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[mythbuster]

I think that you are completely overrating Israel. They have failed to annex the small largely defenseless West Bank and Gaza for the past 77 years.

20% of Israel's population is made up by Arabs who are growing in numbers quicker than Ashkenazi/Eastern European Jews. The Israeli Arab Jews (2/3 of the population) are increasingly against what Israel is doing as well and would probably prefer fraternal/friendly ties with Arabs next door.

Israel will not be "eradicated" they have the strongest conventional army in the region (on paper) and are armed with 100-200 nuclear warheads. They have a nuclear triad as well.

The key here is that the Palestinians are going nowhere and already outnumber the Jews. If you include the Arab Jews within Israel this disparity gets even greater. So either they accept the 1967 borders and become even less relevant or they accept a one-state solution that will eventually turn them into another Arab state de facto.

Fantasies of conquering 120 million big Egypt or 40 million big KSA (by 2050 almost double that) larger than Iran and Iraq combined with some of the world's harshest geography (numerous mountain ranges, deserts etc.) is a pipe dream.

The Jewish/Zionist radicals (religious) are also going to die out within Israel as the younger generation, much like across the world, are less and less religious and less and less prone to believe nonsense prophecies etc.

Western analysts are already predicting that Israel will become a future GCC vassal state economically.

To be honest with you I have always looked at Israel as another Arab state (with 1/3 of Eastern European Jews - proven to be around 50% Middle Eastern/Arab in origin by all available DNA tests - in fact they cluster somewhere between Middle Eastern Arabs and Italians) - merely a Jewish equivalent just like I always looked at Lebanon as a Christian Arab state. Originally it was when it was carved out from Syria by the French. It is a war for land - much like the current Iran/Israel/USA war has nothing to do with Islam. Those are geopolitical conflicts and aims at having your "people" in power, in order to benefit from this economically. Nobody in power really cares about those slogans - they are mostly used as propaganda for the foot soldiers to go and die for some "greater idea" whether religion, nationalism etc.

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Ok , let's accept your take on all of this,... question arises , what's the point of having defence pact with Pakistan? How does it benefit Saudi since Saudi have no one left to threaten her security?

 

[_Arabia_]

Ok , let's accept your take on all of this,... question arises , what's the point of having defence pact with Pakistan? How does it benefit Saudi since Saudi have no one left to threaten her security?

Why always include Israel and India into the equation of KSA and Pakistan? I do not understand this. KSA and Pakistan have had cordial and strategic ties, in some areas, since Pakistan emerged on the map in 1947. That is likely to continue due to geography, history, religious, cultural, linguistic (Urdu contains more Arabic words than Persian contrary to popular belief - even Persian itself is extremely influenced by Arabic - same wit hate script - all derive from the Arabic script) and people to people ties. KSA hosts the world's largest Pakistani diaspora for a reason.

You never know. There are many potential threats if you are MbS - most from within or other Arabs.

No sane person believes in for instance Iran or Israel being existential threats for KSA. They never were and likely never will be.

 

[Haz]

I think that you are completely overrating Israel. They have failed to annex the small largely defenseless West Bank and Gaza for the past 77 years.

20% of Israel's population is made up by Arabs who are growing in numbers quicker than Ashkenazi/Eastern European Jews. The Israeli Arab Jews (2/3 of the population) are increasingly against what Israel is doing as well and would probably prefer fraternal/friendly ties with Arabs next door.

Israel will not be "eradicated" they have the strongest conventional army in the region (on paper) and are armed with 100-200 nuclear warheads. They have a nuclear triad as well.

The key here is that the Palestinians are going nowhere and already outnumber the Jews. If you include the Arab Jews within Israel this disparity gets even greater. So either they accept the 1967 borders and become even less relevant or they accept a one-state solution that will eventually turn them into another Arab state de facto.

Fantasies of conquering 120 million big Egypt or 40 million big KSA (by 2050 almost double that) larger than Iran and Iraq combined with some of the world's harshest geography (numerous mountain ranges, deserts etc.) is a pipe dream.

The Jewish/Zionist radicals (religious) are also going to die out within Israel as the younger generation, much like across the world, are less and less religious and less and less prone to believe nonsense prophecies etc.

Western analysts are already predicting that Israel will become a future GCC vassal state economically.

To be honest with you I have always looked at Israel as another Arab state (with 1/3 of Eastern European Jews - proven to be around 50% Middle Eastern/Arab in origin by all available DNA tests - in fact they cluster somewhere between Middle Eastern Arabs and Italians) - merely a Jewish equivalent just like I always looked at Lebanon as a Christian Arab state. Originally it was when it was carved out from Syria by the French.

None of this makes any sense.

They "failed" to annex the Palestinian lands only on paper, as in it's not recognized officially by other states. In reality, they have complete control of those areas and are killing thousands of Palestinian Muslims every single year, and have been accelerating their ethnic cleansing the past couple years and only seem to be intent on carrying more of it in the future with brief pauses.

Who are you labelling as the Arab Jews that make up 2/3 of Israel? Yes the non-European Mizrahi Jews are quickly outpacing the Ashkenazi European ones, but that is in no way a positive development in the slightest, they are more extreme and more religious.

The fact is, unlike you stated, the extremely zealous Jews in Israel are actually taking over, and the secularists are dwindling in number and influence, not the other way around as you mentioned. You have it completely backwards, their society is getting more religions, not less, so much so that the new rising religious extremists have a very real chance of over turning the secular constitution and institutions that founded Israel and replacing it with a religious Halachic one that they've been promising to do for decades. And soon they will have the numbers to do that in the next generation due to their growing numbers.

And no, Saudi will no be spared, neither will Egypt. They are implementing the Greater Israel project, and it encompasses all of Jordan, Lebanon, most of Syria, half of Iraq, Northern part of Saudi, and the Sinai and eastern Egypt. All. those states will be affected sooner or later, some sooner than others.

I have no idea why on earth you say you always looked at Israel as always another Arab state, they clearly are not and absolutely do not want to be. And even more importantly, even if they were hypothetically Arab, why would that even matter? I care that they are persecuting and killing Muslims there more than anything else, is that not what matters the most? Who gives a shit if they were Arab or not, they are killing Palestinian Sunni Muslims and have been oppressing and torturing them for decades, is that not what matters the most?

Really, the only thing I agree with you is the fact that beating them will be very difficult given they are a nuclear power, so it will take a long time to muster up the force to take them on and we will need to have nukes too. But other than this one point, I disagree with everything else you stated. You really don't seem to care at all at the plight of your Muslim brethren in Palestine, to the point of almost sounding like you're a Zionist or something. It's a little shocking and disappointing to read all this tbh brother.

 

[_Arabia_]

None of this makes any sense.

They "failed" to annex the Palestinian lands only on paper, as in it's not recognized officially by other states. In reality, they have complete control of those areas and are killing thousands of Palestinian Muslims every single year, and have been accelerating their ethnic cleansing the past couple years and only seem to be intent on carrying more of it in the future with brief pauses.

Who are you labelling as the Arab Jews that make up 2/3 of Israel? Yes the non-European Mizrahi Jews are quickly outpacing the Ashkenazi European ones, but that is in no way a positive development in the slightest, they are more extreme and more religious.

The fact is, unlike you stated, the extremely zealous Jews in Israel are actually taking over, and the secularists are dwindling in number and influence, not the other way around as you mentioned. You have it completely backwards, their society is getting more religions, not less, so much so that the new rising religious extremists have a very real chance of over turning the secular constitution and institutions that founded Israel and replacing it with a religious Halachic one that they've been promising to do for decades. And soon they will have the numbers to do that in the next generation due to their growing numbers.

And no, Saudi will no be spared, neither will Egypt. They are implementing the Greater Israel project, and it encompasses all of Jordan, Lebanon, most of Syria, half of Iraq, Northern part of Saudi, and the Sinai and eastern Egypt. All. those states will be affected sooner or later, some sooner than others.

I have no idea why on earth you say you always looked at Israel as always another Arab state, they clearly are not and absolutely do not want to be. And even more importantly, even if they were hypothetically Arab, why would that even matter? I care that they are persecuting and killing Muslims there more than anything else, is that not what matters the most? Who gives a shit if they were Arab or not, they are killing Palestinian Sunni Muslims and have been oppressing and torturing them for decades, is that not what matters the most?

Really, the only thing I agree with you is the fact that beating them will be very difficult given they are a nuclear power, so it will take a long time to muster up the force to take them on and we will need to have nukes too. But other than this one point, I disagree with everything else you stated. You really don't seem to care at all at the plight of your Muslim brethren in Palestine, to the point of almost sounding like you're a Zionist or something. It's a little shocking and disappointing to read all this tbh brother.

Let us agree to disagree. 77 years of constant 24/7 military, economic and political support from the world's main superpower (USA) and West and they have failed with their objective of annexing tiny Gaza and West Bank. LET ALONE other territories that a minority of their deluded people believe "belongs to them".

21-25% of the Israeli population are Arabs (Palestinians, Bedouins, Druze) that they failed to expel. Hardly a success either - rather a giant failure.

I don't care about what those Jewish Arab Israelis - I am merely stating that they are Arab in origin. There are 500.000-1 million Israelis of Yemeni origin alone - many from modern-day Southern KSA. They look exactly like our people because that is what they are - only difference being that they follow a slightly different fellow Abrahamic and Semitic religion (Judaism) native to our lands and people.

And for how long, if your theory is right, that the Israeli youth will become more religious and extreme, will the US (whose demographics are changing and less and less people support Israel) and West tolerate such an Israel? A West, Europe in particular, where the 20-25 million Arabs are slowly gaining more and more political, economic etc. power in every Western European state. I will tell you almost every 4th or 5th STEM student or graduate in the West is an Arab or Muslim. When I visit universities in the West, I see Arab Hijabi women everywhere.

This is part of the stupid conspiracy theories that certain Arabs and Muslims foolishly believe in. In what world will 6-7 million Jews (2/3 of them Arab Jews) annex 120 million big Egypt (by 2050 close to 200 million) or 80 million big KSA by 2050, which is larger than Iraq and Iran combined and has some of the world's toughest landscapes (numerous mountain ranges, deserts, steppes and 10.000's of natural barriers).

It is a pipe dream for a reason.

 

[mythbuster]

Why always include Israel and India into the equation of KSA and Pakistan? I do not understand this. KSA and Pakistan have had cordial and strategic ties, in some areas, since Pakistan emerged on the map in 1947. That is likely to continue due to geography, history, religious, cultural, linguistic (Urdu contains more Arabic words than Persian contrary to popular belief - even Persian itself is extremely influenced by Arabic - same wit hate script - all derive from the Arabic script) and people to people ties. KSA hosts the world's largest Pakistani diaspora for a reason.

You never know. There are many potential threats if you are MbS - most from within or other Arabs.

No sane person believes in for instance Iran or Israel being existential threats for KSA. They never were and likely never will be.

That's an honest take , in other words you are hiring Pakistan as an internal security guard.... hopefully, you will be a good paymaster.

 

[_Arabia_]

That's an honest take , in other words you are hiring Pakistan as an internal security guard.... hopefully, you will be a good paymaster.

You might be surprised but unlike most Arab and Muslims nations most locals in KSA and the GCC always loved/supported our leadership because they are our own leadership who were not imposed by any foreigners. Who follow our own local systems, culture, religion etc. In the case of KSA this relationship is even more special given the past 300 + years of House of Saud rule in various parts of KSA and the deep bonds between people - House of Saud intermarried with all the most important clans and tribes for a reason. it is a relationship fostered by blood (KSA unification) literally. Unique to anything else in the world.

Our leaders were literally on the battlefield, many dying in the process, to unify KSA.

Unification of Saudi Arabia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Leaders like Ibn Saud (RA) spent 32 years of his life engaged in this.

That is why there have been zero uprisings, revolutions or civil wars for a reason despite everyone around us having been through this on numerous occasions.

Most Muslims and Arabs are projecting their country's and regimes (mostly imposed on them) experiences and KSA - while we are nothing alike in this regard.

Take Iran as an example. The Pahlavi regime was imposed by them. Similarly the Mullah's who arrived from France and Arab countries (in exile). Khomeini arrived on an Air France flight in Iran for a reason.



All CIA assists who were propped up against the Shah as he was starting to make life difficult for the West. The real opposition in Iran were the socialists and communists but due to geopolitics and geography (Iran bordered USSR directly - modern-day Turkmenistan - hence why the Shah was propped up by the West to this extend - no other reason) they were never allowed to gain power. Several US presidents have admitted to this. Later came the Iran-Contra Affair that was a confirmation of this relationship. Later they went rogue (Mullah's) but that does not change their origin or how they came to power.

Changes within KSA will only occur by the people like throughout all of recorded history - not by any outsiders whether friends or foes.

 

[Haz]

Let us agree to disagree. 77 years of constant 24/7 military, economic and political support from the world's main superpower (USA) and West and they have failed with their objective of annexing tiny Gaza and West Bank. LET ALONE other territories that a minority of their deluded people believe "belongs to them".

21-25% of the Israeli population are Arabs (Palestinians, Bedouins, Druze) that they failed to expel. Hardly a success either - rather a giant failure.

I don't care about what those Jewish Arab Israelis - I am merely stating that they are Arab in origin. There are 500.000-1 million Israelis of Yemeni origin alone - many from modern-day Southern KSA. They look exactly like our people because that is what they are - only difference being that they follow a slightly different fellow Abrahamic and Semitic religion (Judaism) native to our lands and people.

And for how long, if your theory is right, that the Israeli youth will become more religious and extreme, will the US (whose demographics are changing and less and less people support Israel) and West tolerate such an Israel? A West, Europe in particular, where the 20-25 million Arabs are slowly gaining more and more political, economic etc. power in every Western European state. I will tell you almost every 4th or 5th STEM student or graduate in the West is an Arab or Muslim. When I visit universities in the West, I see Arab Hijabi women everywhere.

This is part of the stupid conspiracy theories that certain Arabs and Muslims foolishly believe in. In what world will 6-7 million Jews (2/3 of them Arab Jews) annex 120 million big Egypt (by 2050 close to 200 million) or 80 million big KSA by 2050, which is larger than Iraq and Iran combined and has some of the world's toughest landscapes (numerous mountain ranges, deserts, steppes and 10.000's of natural barriers).

It is a pipe dream for a reason.

Again, who gives a **** they are Arab origin, or look like Arabs, or whatever you want to claim the Arab proportion of Israeli population is. What matters is that they have shown more than enough willingness to murder Muslim Palestinians, despite the fact they are actually Arabic, and want to remain that way, not some Jews that had some Arab origin and are quickly shedding it to become Hebrew speakers with every successive generation that is born and raised in Israeli since they migrated there.

It's clear that their Arabic ancestry has not been a barrier to them killing and oppressing Muslim Palestinians and doing it at a far brazen pace recently. And every single sociological study on Israel has shown it's becoming less and less secular and more fanatically religious. Read that up since you really don't seem to understand or recognize this fact at all. No, their youth are no getting secularized, they are actually becoming more extreme and religious, to the point that the current secular Ashkanazi elites are really fretting over the fact that the secular state they created and controlled up until recently is heading towards being taken over by there religious nuts. This is a fact, and its widely known. You are the only one that somehow seems to think otherwise, when all studies show the complete opposite.

And again, you still haven't answered, what about all the Muslim Palestinians that have been suffering under their oppression, rape and torture and continue to be slaughtered by the tens of thousands? You haven't even mentioned them? Why?

 

[mythbuster]

Until the oil discovery Saudi Arabia wasn't worth attacking,... other than Hejaz region no empires ever bothered with rest of present day Saudi Arabia...who wants Rab ul khali ?

 

[_Arabia_]

Again, who gives a **** they are Arab origin, or look like Arabs, or whatever you want to claim the Arab proportion of Israeli population is. What matters is that they have shown more than enough willingness to murder Muslim Palestinians, despite the fact they are actually Arabic, and want to remain that way, not some Jews that had some Arab origin and are quickly shedding it to become Hebrew speakers with every successive generation that is born and raised in Israeli since they migrated there.

It's clear that their Arabic ancestry has not been a barrier to them killing and oppressing Muslim Palestinians and doing it at a far brazen pace recently. And every single sociological study on Israel has shown it's becoming less and less secular and more fanatically religious. Read that up since you really don't seem to understand to recognize this fact at all. No, their youth are no getting secularized, they are actually becoming more extreme and religious, to the point that the current secular Ashkanazi elites are really fretting over the fact that the secular state they created and controlled up until recently is being heading towards being taken over by there religious nuts. This is a fact, and its widely known. You are the only one that somehow seems to think otherwise, when all studies show the complete opposite.

And again, you still haven't answered, what about all the Muslim Palestinians that have been suffering under their oppression, rape and torture and continue to be slaughtered by the tens of thousands? You haven't even mentioned them? Why?

What are you even discussing? How many times do I need to tell you that I do not care about the Arab Jews (majority of Jews in Israel) of Israel? Nevertheless they are Arabs who just happen to follow Judaism - another fellow Abrahamic and Semitic religion native to our lands and people.

If you include the 20-25% of Arabs within Israel itself (Palestinians, Bedouins and Druze) - they are de facto an ethnic Arab nation in their majority. That is a demographical fact.

Arabs have killed more fellow Arabs than any foreigners have ever done in history. Just look at your own country (Syria), if you are a Syrian.

Where is the evidence of Israeli youth becoming more religious and extreme? I have seen zero such evidence.

 

[Haz]

What are you even discussing? How many times do I need to tell you that I do not care about the Arab Jews (majority of Jews in Israel) of Israel? Nevertheless they are Arabs who just happen to follow Judaism - another fellow Abrahamic and Semitic religion native to our lands and people.

If you include the 20-25% of Arabs within Israel itself (Palestinians, Bedouins and Druze) - they are de facto an ethnic Arab nation in their majority. That is a demographical fact.

Arabs have killed more fellow Arabs than any foreigners have ever done in history. Just look at your own country (Syria), if you are a Syrian.

Where is the evidence of Israeli youth becoming more religious and extreme? I have seen zero such evidence.

Are you Muslim?

 

[_Arabia_]

Until the oil discovery Saudi Arabia wasn't worth attacking,... other than Hejaz region no empires ever bothered with rest of present day Saudi Arabia...who wants Rab ul khali ?

Incredibly ignorant comment. Is that why Arabia is home to some of the world's oldest recorded civilizations and culture on the planet as well as some of the oldest inhabited cities? Home to more World UNESCO Heritage Sites than Iran as well to make a comparison.

Is that why Arabia was known for its enormous richness in antiquity? Roman and Greek sources included. Felix Arabia. Gold, frankincense, myrrh and countless of other commodities.

KSA today, on its own, is the world's 3rd richest country on the planet after 4 times larger USA and 6.5 times larger Russia.

Romans, Greeks and numerous other empires tried but they all failed. Go read up about it.

Rub' al-Khali is a small part of KSA - in fact rumored to be home of Atlantis and other well-known long lost civilizations. Home to the region's largest underwater sea lakes. Go read up on it.

Yemen alone is home to more mummies than any other civilization outside of Egypt next door.

Arabia is part and parcel of the cradle of civilization (Arab world) bordering the world's oldest civilizations who all traded and interacted with Arabia and in many cases (all Semitic civilizations native to Mesopotamia - which part of Northern Arabia was a part of), Levant, Egypt etc. was and is the homeland of.

In fact KSA/Najd/South Hejaz is home to one of the world's oldest cultures and civilizations - Al-Magar.

Al-Magar - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Anyway all this is irrelevant, the archaeological and historical evidence is overwhelming - whatever foreigners believe in, I do not care about.

The only difference between us is that our people have accomplished more than 90% of all other people/cultures during the era of Islam alone so we never had the need to "brag" or obsess about our pre-Islamic past - which is far greater and older than most others as well.

Imagine creating a civilization (Arab Islamic) that is so powerful that it swallows the world's oldest recorded cultures, civilizations, languages etc. within the Arab world. Organically. With minimal use of force. Enough said. Later for this civilization to spread to half of the world and now its alliterations being followed by more people than any other such culture/religion on the planet. There has never been anything like this in history. Lasted for 1400 years as well.

 

[_Arabia_]

Are you Muslim?

Are you Muslim? Once again, are you able to dispute the demographical reality of Israel being a majority Arab state - that just happens to be Jewish in its majority - a fellow Abrahamic and Semitic religion native to the Arab world and which was followed by Arabs as well prior to Islam?

Where is your evidence of Israeli youth becoming more religious and extreme?

Show some data that confirms this supposed reality.

Also explain how in your fantasy reality 6-7 million Jews, who have been unable to fully annex tiny Gaza and West Bank, let alone expelled 20-25% of their own Muslim/Christian Arab population ("Israeli" Arabs), after 77 years despite constant 24/7 military, economic and political support from the world's superpower (USA) and entire West - will suddenly magically annex large portions of the Arab world - specifically by 2050 200 million big Egypt and 80 million big KSA - which is the size of Iran and Iraq combined with some of the world's toughest landscapes (numerous mountain ranges and deserts) that have historically helped stop most invaders etc.

Let us just start with Syria next door - how will tiny Israel annex 30 million big Syria that is experiencing a population boom? Where will those 100's upon 100's of millions of Arabs magically disappear?

Fact of the matter - nothing of this short will occur. Israel in its current form is a decaying entity that will be forced to reform or perish due to internal and external reasons.

The USSR, world's largest country by far and armed with more nuclear weapons than anybody else, collapsed in 1991 on its own.

Much more likely for Israel to follow a similar path rather than low IQ drivel about Israel annexing the entire region magically. Not everything evolves around this tiny entity. 95% of all Arabs have never been impacted by this entity to begin with for a reason.

 

[Haz]

Are you Muslim? Once again, are you able to dispute the demographical reality of Israel being a majority Arab state - that just happens to be Jewish in its majority - a fellow Abrahamic and Semitic religion native to the Arab world and which was followed by Arabs as well prior to Islam?

Where is your evidence of Israeli youth becoming more religious and extreme?

Show some data that confirms this supposed reality.

Also explain how in your fantasy reality 6-7 million Jews, who have been unable to fully annex tiny Gaza and West Bank, let alone expelled 20-25% of their own Muslim/Christian Arab population ("Israeli" Arabs), after 77 years despite constant 24/7 military, economic and political support from the world's superpower (USA) and entire West - will suddenly magically annex large portions of the Arab world - specifically by 2050 200 million big Egypt and 80 million big KSA - which is the size of Iran and Iraq combined with some of the world's toughest landscapes (numerous mountain ranges and deserts) that have historically helped stop most invaders etc.

Let us just start with Syria next door - how will tiny Israel annex 30 million big Syria that is experiencing a population boom? Where will those 100's upon 100's of millions of Arabs magically disappear?

hmm interesting response.

 

[_Arabia_]

hmm interesting response.

Yes, I am a Muslim, like 99.99% of all Saudi Arabians are by birth and practice. You know the religion that emerged in what is today KSA - no less.

Now can you counter anything that I wrote which is all based on either demographical facts, historical realities or logical deductions based on current and future events? I will quickly repost my post again:

Once again, are you able to dispute the demographical reality of Israel being a majority Arab state - that just happens to be Jewish in its majority - a fellow Abrahamic and Semitic religion native to the Arab world and which was followed by Arabs as well prior to Islam?

Where is your evidence of Israeli youth becoming more religious and extreme?

Show some data that confirms this supposed reality.

Also explain how in your fantasy reality 6-7 million Jews, who have been unable to fully annex tiny Gaza and West Bank, let alone expelled 20-25% of their own Muslim/Christian Arab population ("Israeli" Arabs), after 77 years despite constant 24/7 military, economic and political support from the world's superpower (USA) and entire West - will suddenly magically annex large portions of the Arab world - specifically by 2050 200 million big Egypt and 80 million big KSA - which is the size of Iran and Iraq combined with some of the world's toughest landscapes (numerous mountain ranges and deserts) that have historically helped stop most invaders etc.

Let us just start with Syria next door - how will tiny Israel annex 30 million big Syria that is experiencing a population boom? Where will those 100's upon 100's of millions of Arabs magically disappear?

Fact of the matter - nothing of this short will occur. Israel in its current form is a decaying entity that will be forced to reform or perish due to internal and external reasons.

The USSR, world's largest country by far and armed with more nuclear weapons than anybody else, collapsed in 1991 on its own.

Much more likely for Israel to follow a similar path rather than low IQ drivel about Israel annexing the entire region magically. Not everything evolves around this tiny entity. 95% of all Arabs have never been impacted by this entity to begin with for a reason.

I am in particular interested in seeing how you believe that tiny Israel will be able to annex Egypt and KSA when they have failed to annex tiny Gaza and West Bank despite 77 years of constant US/Western support - economically, politically and militarily, and have failed to expel 20-25% of their own "Israeli" population (Arab Israelis). Now this tiny entity, that struggles with "cleaning its own tiny house", is supposed to magically annex Arab land 1000 times the size with 500 times the population. I am trying to make sense of such low IQ claims but it is incredibly difficult.

@mythbuster not taking your ignorant (deliberate) bait but I can tell you that small parts of Arabia alone (Eastern) - Dilmun, Magan, Sumer, have civilizations and cultures that predate the IVC. Not only that, we were the first people to even describe/attest it. And unlike our contemporary civilizations in just 1 part of Arabia (Eastern Arabia)- we meticulously wrote the names of our contemporary rulers etc. (Epic og Gilgamesh - oldest recorded preserved story in the world - almost exclusively about Arabian civilizations - Sumer, Dilmun and Magan) we have not even 1 single name of an IVC ruler (contemporary civilization). That should tell you something. BTW ironically this part of Pakistan has recorded hotter temperatures than any region of Arabia - speaking about climate, lol. The mountainous regions of KSA alone are larger than all of Pakistan combined. And speaking about the Rub' al Khali (extremely beautiful area of Arabia that is barely inhabited):

5,000-Year-Old Civilization Discovered Beneath the Sand in the Arabian Peninsula Thanks To AI

A 5,000-year-old civilization under the sand of the largest desert in the world.

mymodernmet.com

And actually this area has more history than Pakistan just by virtue of being one of the world's first inhabited areas by humans after Africa next door.

There is a reason why most Pakistanis, a large/majority portion of their DNA derives from Neolithic people native to the Arab world (cradle of civilization) - the very same region that the Neolithic culture originated from.

People from KSA (confirmed by modern day DNA) have the largest affinity to Natufian people - oldest Neolithic culture in the world and the first people in the world to build the first cities, introduce agriculture and widespread domestication of animals.

17.000 years ago:

Natufian culture - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org