Operation Ghazab Lil Haq (Pakistan - Afghanistan War)

[RescueRanger]

Hayat Abad in Peshawar and Saryaab Road in Quetta had been harboring these terrorists for a long time. I wonder what type of people live there who are untouchables.

Saryaab road ki baat choryan. Pishin... That is where the real filth resides.

 

[ThoroughPro]

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what's the point of destroying mud posts and letting the terrorists flee?
Kill the terrorists and ,Leave the post as it is with a buried ied in it, next time they occupy it, blow it with terrorists inside.

 

[safriz]

Saryaab road ki baat choryan. Pishin... That is where the real filth resides.

Pishin is mainly Pushtoon area , isn't it?
I was on about BLA

 

[Rational Philosopher]

I find your comment surprising considering your background. You do realise these people are afraid? Will the military prevent militants from kidnapping and executing them and their family members on their next visit from Afghanistan? Close the border first and equip local LEA to provide protection before expecting people to put their and their loved ones' lives on the line.

He is not exactly wrong.

There are certain areas of the Pashtun belt they completely struggle to penetrate because there is absolutely minimal sympathies from the locals there, and many times led to counter violence against them by local tribal elders.

Other areas for several reasons do indeed harbour sympathies on ethnic, tribal or ideological grounds (their extremism is appealing) so they find it easier to sustain their presence, blend in, go unnoticed, get zero push back. Or at best neutrality.

The fear factor you mentioned is certainly true in many cases, but overplayed, tribals have never shied away from using violence against those they deem disturbing their areas and a simple fact an insurgency of this intensity simply cannot sustain itself without finding local allies. It rapidly dies out once existing militants are killed, struggling to gain recruitment or ability to operate in any area without risk of being found out.

It may be new to some, but TTPs ethnic composition and extremist policies are certainly appealing to many. Just a fact. This is the biggest contributor over fear. Fear is about 20%. 60% local sympathies, 20% remaining Afghan susstainment & infiltration.

Now with BLA? 85-90% is local support. 10% came from camps that over the year shifted at times between Iran and Afghanistan.

 

[safriz]

He is not exactly wrong.

There are certain areas of the Pashtun belt they completely struggle to penetrate because there is absolutely minimal sympathies from the locals there, and many times led to counter violence against them by local tribal elders.

Other areas for several reasons do indeed harbour sympathies on ethnic, tribal or ideological grounds (their extremism is appealing) so they find it easier to sustain their presence, blend in, go unnoticed, get zero push back. Or at best neutrality.

The fear factor you mentioned is certainly true in many cases, but overplayed, tribals have never shied away from using violence against those they deem disturbing their areas and a simple fact an insurgency of this intensity simply cannot sustain itself without finding local allies. It rapidly dies out once existing militants are killed, struggling to gain recruitment or ability to operate in any area without risk of being found out.

It may be new to some, but TTPs ethnic composition and extremist policies are certainly appealing to many. Just a fact. This is the biggest contributor over fear. Fear is about 20%. 60% local sympathies, 20% remaining Afghan susstainment & infiltration.

More to do with Illicit livelihoods in these areas. Drugs and smuggling.
If there's total government control their Charas will stop. Thats why the show must go on.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

More to do with Illicit livelihoods in these areas. Drugs and smuggling.
If there's total government control their Charas will stop. Thats why the show must go on.

Tends to happen with every militant group since they need funds to continue their militancy too. But I still believe that is a byproduct that follows, not a foundational cause.

Otherwise plenty of Afghani charsis but no anti-Taliban militant group trying to take over the cash flow. Cause no base exists to exploit.

 

[RescueRanger]

Pishin is mainly Pushtoon area , isn't it?
I was on about BLA

No sir that is a misunderstanding these scumbags are hand in glove. Khoratabad too.

Birds of a feather flock together.

 

[T80UD]

He is not exactly wrong.

There are certain areas of the Pashtun belt they completely struggle to penetrate because there is absolutely minimal sympathies from the locals there, and many times led to counter violence against them by local tribal elders.

Other areas for several reasons do indeed harbour sympathies on ethnic, tribal or ideological grounds (their extremism is appealing) so they find it easier to sustain their presence, blend in, go unnoticed, get zero push back. Or at best neutrality.

The fear factor you mentioned is certainly true in many cases, but overplayed, tribals have never shied away from using violence against those they deem disturbing their areas and a simple fact an insurgency of this intensity simply cannot sustain itself without finding local allies. It rapidly dies out once existing militants are killed, struggling to gain recruitment or ability to operate in any area without risk of being found out.

It may be new to some, but TTPs ethnic composition and extremist policies are certainly appealing to many. Just a fact. This is the biggest contributor over fear. Fear is about 20%. 60% local sympathies, 20% remaining Afghan susstainment & infiltration.

Now with BLA? 85-90% is local support. 10% came from camps that over the year shifted at times between Iran and Afghanistan.

Basically this, it's the reason PKK died out, it goes beyond just that, madrassa's are extremist factories we still have mullahs supporting the TTP and pretty publically too, madrassas should have regulated long ago.

 

[RescueRanger]

Sadly we must be like Hannibal, so the Taliban rue our coming like Hannibal of Carthage so that these rats learn to fear us, the very mention of our name should bring a shiver down their spines.

Like the roman mothers would scare their children to bed with the phrase "Hannibal ad portās" = Hannibal is at the gates.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Basically this, it's the reason PKK died out, it goes beyond just that, madrassa's are extremist factories we still have mullahs supporting the TTP and pretty publically too, madrassas should have regulated long ago.

Yes. It's hilarious how Pakistanis will do an analysis on all sorts of irrelevant nonesense that ignores everything important trying to freestyle their own thing unable to see an already well documented live example in front of them.

Ethnic separatism, religious/tribal extremism is already well known and how it mainly sustains itself.

But people in Pakistan love being in denial. Maybe its a low IQ issue or constant need to cope.

 

[Blueishere]

Yes. It's hilarious how Pakistanis will do an analysis on all sorts of irrelevant nonesense that ignores everything important trying to freestyle their own thing unable to see an already well documented live example in front of them.

Ethnic separatism, religious/tribal extremism is already well known and how it mainly sustains itself.

But people in Pakistan love being in denial. Maybe its a low IQ issue or constant need to cope.

It's beating around the bush, the State is scared to make fundamental change or reform.

 

[hasssanali8998]

religious

this is the most important by far , like tell why exactly is a imam at mosque in ratodero is praising taliban ( hint that particular imam makes a trip evey year to uae )

 

[T80UD]

Yes. It's hilarious how Pakistanis will do an analysis on all sorts of irrelevant nonesense that ignores everything important trying to freestyle their own thing unable to see an already well documented live example in front of them.

Ethnic separatism, religious/tribal extremism is already well known and how it mainly sustains itself.

But people in Pakistan love being in denial. Maybe its a low IQ issue or constant need to cope.

Completely ending this insurgency will take multiple decades a complete societal change.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

because doing so they will loose their investments .

More-so because they lack public support for fundamental change. Even authoritarian systems need implicit support to be functional or you get instability.

 

[solarmane]

Basically this, it's the reason PKK died out, it goes beyond just that, madrassa's are extremist factories we still have mullahs supporting the TTP and pretty publically too, madrassas should have regulated long ago.

Madaris* don't produce terrorism, it's tribal bumpkinship.