Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[GoshtWalaPulao]

It is a reckless move and may well be Trump’s best attempt at a quick victory. He is a very dangerous individual. He can't seem to tolerate losing - and before military analysts laugh at me for suggesting USA can plausibly "lose", all it takes for an American loss on paper is the survival of Iran as an antagonistic nation state with its government sustained and some residual ability to strike Israel with rockets or missiles. Arguably, even a prolonged conflict of attrition can be construed as an "American loss" in this context, which is why Trump is willing to be reckless for an attempt at a quick victory. Iran needs to continue to understand his psyche and ego and use that to their advantage.

All this madness to cover for Israeli expansionist fantasies.

American citizens need to ask themselves and their government if it is all really worth it to let this psychotic colonial apartheid outpost murder kids across the middle east. Has USA not simply picked the wrong side since 1948?

What can Iran do against a power which has essentially unlimited resources, because from what I'm seeing barely a dent has been made to these people. They fly in and out with ease dropping bomb after bomb essentially unscathed (look at the ratio of casualties). I said this before, this is all just disheartening at this point.... Only China has the tech and resources to keep up with this madness, everybody else is game. If you want to argue about time and draining resources of the US I just don't see Iran being able to keep going.... Was Iraq truly a failure? They got their resources and had their fun and were able to establish their selves further....
The only way I see the US getting destroyed is internally or through divine intervention. Their F22S and F35s are unscathed happily flying decimating everyone. Iran has barely been able to do any damage.


Till I see their jets and soldiers burning in large numbers I will remain disheartened. Muslims have mostly been utter fools twiddling their thumbs whilst the west has propelled itself a century ahead of us. 0 major innovations or inventions from our side we have nothing to show other than death, destruction and loss after loss. The only true loss for the US would be like what they have done to our neighboring nations, left them in tatters, and internally they probably know this too. They don't care because they can afford to endure.

 

[Hakwa Nadro]

@RescueRanger do you see any parallels with this story and current situation
A postman had been delivering letters all day in pouring rain. By late afternoon he was soaked, muddy, and exhausted.
He had just one final letter left, but unfortunately it was two miles down a narrow country lane.
By the time he reached the house he looked like he’d been mud wrestling.
He shut the garden gate, turned around…
…and suddenly a massive Rottweiler jumped up, putting two huge paws on his chest.
The postman froze.
Just then a little old lady leaned out of the upstairs window and shouted,
“Don’t worry, son! Just kick his balls!”
The postman yelled back,
“WHAT?!”
She shouted again,
“Kick his balls and he'll leave you alone! - he loves it”
Now the postman was wearing heavy size-12 steel-toe boots, the proper military kind.
So he took a step back and WHACK! — booted the dog square between the legs.
The dog let out a terrible howl took a step back and growled angrily at the postie.
The old lady screamed,
“You’re in BIG trouble now!”
The postman gasped,
“Why?! You told me to kick his balls!”
The old lady sighed and said,
“I meant the squeaky ones on the lawn beside you!”

 

[kobra]

Yes this I worried. Iran in desperation will target regional energy infrastructure. If they target Saudis Arab than Pakistan will be involved as well. This will be a huge mess. Complete chaos in the region. Ugly days ahead.

What we will offer more than US and Israil against Iran? Daily expenditure of US is close to 1.8b, Israil's seprate...US is using f35s, F22s, F15s, F16s, B2, B52, B1s, Thousands of Interceptors to defend its interests, Three career groups and what not.. What are we going to get involved with, Which US does not possess and using right now? Nuclear weapons Or are you hoping of sending of Pak army battalions with tanks, artilleries inside Iran to fulfill a decade old wishes of conquering iran again of certain groups? lol..

KSA offered US 1.5trillions dollars in investment and purchased weapons of worth more than 200 Bn $, Will they offer us the same? If they do than its a good deal, 200b is a lot of money. otherwise im yet to see anything new which we can use against iran to inflict pain on them.

 

[Salza]

Iran won't blow up the island but will try to retake it. Through a negotiated settlement or brute force. Launching missiles at the island is unlikely- it is the beating heart of Iran. They cannot risk damage to the infrastructure on that island. May be it's a bluff to get Iran to give in?

It's a jugular line for Iranian economy. Iran will do their best not to get it destroyed either by US or by themselves in case of US invasion. Don't understand why some posters are not getting it.

 

[Master Chief]

Bro their main aim is to take control of your oil not destroying it. Go and check what happened with Venezuela. You really think this war is about stopping you getting a nuclear bomb lol. This has been a US policy after second world war either have a timid US friendly govt in oil producing countries or bring a war to have one there.

Please be rational and logical.

USA has enough oil for itself through its control of the economy of countless friendly (and pacified) nations' resources.

The aim is to DEPRIVE ISRAEL'S RIVAL OF THAT RIVAL'S OWN OIL.

If USA can seize the oil, that is a bonus, but if not, they are happy to condemn Israel's only enemy in the region to a future without its main income generator.

 

[PakistanLVR]

What can Iran do against a power which has essentially unlimited resources, because from what I'm seeing barely a dent has been made to these people. They fly in and out with ease dropping bomb after bomb essentially unscathed (look at the ratio of casualties). I said this before, this is all just disheartening at this point.... Only China has the tech and resources to keep up with this madness, everybody else is game. If you want to argue about time and draining resources of the US I just don't see Iran being able to keep going.... Was Iraq truly a failure? They got their resources and had their fun and were able to establish their selves further....
The only way I see the US getting destroyed is internally or through divine intervention. Their F22S and F35s are unscathed happily flying decimating everyone. Iran has barely been able to do any damage.


Till I see their jets and soldiers burning in large numbers I will remain disheartened. Muslims have mostly been utter fools twiddling their thumbs whilst the west has propelled itself a century ahead of us. 0 major innovations or inventions from our side we have nothing to show other than death, destruction and loss after loss.

Found the Pakistani. Don't talk about people who aren't like you. Followers of Hussein (a.s.) and Ali (a.s.), if they were like Pakistanis, they would have folded years ago. But I could see why you see yourself as helpless. Its the passive, docile South Asian gene-pool.

 

[Olympus81]

Its high time there is a negotiated settlement between Iran and US.

An unpopular opinion but this needs to be done.

 

[Salza]

So what you’re saying is that US troops will occupy the island and American companies will pump and sell the oil while Iran watches?
The strait is closed. Taking the island does nothing but put American troops in danger. Its nothing but a desperate move to press Iran to surrender/accept ceasefire.

Lol US will not stop with one island. They will take complete control of Strait of Hormuz one by one. They are not stupid to waste billions already.

 

[PakistanLVR]

Please be rational and logical.

USA has enough oil for itself through its control of the economy of countless friendly (and pacified) nations' resources.

The aim is to DEPRIVE ISRAEL'S RIVAL OF THAT RIVAL'S OWN OIL.

If USA can seize the oil, that is a bonus, but if not, they are happy to condemn Israel's only enemy in the region to a future without its main income generator.

their plans to give the region to the Israelis and then concentrate on China.

 

[omegalamba7xl9]

I'm trippling down on to the aspect that BIBI khusra is dead....
It is so weird that

1. He didn't visit US in past few days... Usually in a situation like this he comes in to address the HOUSE yet which is sort of habitual thing for him just like showing up at UN with charts and pics...
2. No statement over synagogue situation which happened in US and Norway.. usually he would be having a field day with this sort of thing with his usual rants..
3. All of his recent videos he is speaking in vague terminology which can be fit to any situation not about current situation on the ground... Such as opening up a Hezbollah front.. I mean he would be saying something about that usually he be talking about blessed land cursed land ABRAHAM accord's... Even that's not being discussed...
Very very weird....

 

[GoshtWalaPulao]

Found the Pakistani. Don't talk about people who aren't like you. Followers of Hussein (a.s.) and Ali (a.s.), if they were like Pakistanis, they would have folded years ago. But I could see why you see yourself as helpless. Its the passive, docile South Asian gene-pool.

It's reality at this point. The high-rises in israel still stand. Turkey is working on a 5th gen whilst the US is probably on the drawing board for the 7th gen... This isn't the era of swords and arrows. Technology is might. Being passive and docile is what has caused us to be in this situation in the first place. All our lands have internal conflicts nobody bothering about technological innovation to keep up with these guys.


The disparity amounts to men with bare fists and chapals against people with swords, cannons, muskets, arrows and trebuchets.

 

[NA71]

Lol US will not stop with one island. They will take complete control of Strait of Hormuz one by one. They are not stupid to waste billions already.

Flow of crude oil under US control.....in next conflict with China ...US will have that critical control ...for Chinese vessels....

Also CPEC will be affected

 

[Ibbi32]

They already hit a tanker and launched missiles at eilat no? Im confused now

 

[Salza]

What we will offer more than US and Israil against Iran? Daily expenditure of US is close to 1.8b, Israil's seprate...US is using f35s, F22s, F15s, F16s, B2, B52, B1s, Thousands of Interceptors to defend its interests, Three career groups and what not.. What are we going to get involved with, Which US does not possess and using right now? Nuclear weapons Or are you hoping of sending of Pak army battalions with tanks, artilleries inside Iran to fulfill a decade old wishes of conquering iran again of certain groups? lol..

KSA offered US 1.5trillions dollars in investment and purchased weapons of worth more than 200 Bn $, Will they offer us the same? If they do than its a good deal, 200b is a lot of money. otherwise im yet to see anything new which we can use against iran to inflict pain on them.

If Iran looses their jugular line (kharng island) than they will make sure others looses as well. They have already shown intension by attacking other middle eastern countries. If this shit happens, than Saudis Arab will need every military asset in air or land to save their energy infrastructures. A squad of PAF and some SHORADS from our side. Drone jamming expertise. That's the maximum we can do being signatory of defense deal with them.

 

[kobra]

It's a jugular line for Iranian economy. Iran will do their best not to get it destroyed either by US or by themselves in case of US invasion. Don't understand why some posters are not getting it.

Mutually assured destruction...

I have provided the list of other oil infrastructures (arteries) in MIddle East and it wont be the first time Kargh will be bombed.. Its an exporting hub not the production hub, they will some how manage for themselves. But if whole of Middle east arteries are gone, oil will be physically unavailable and price could be anything' It will be non nuclear winter for the whole world.. Small economies will be finished for once and all. Even now physical oil futures are being traded at surplus.

Just like US dont nuke Russia or Russia dont nuke US, neither do we and India.. Mutually assured destruction. The Bluff