Pakistan Rocket Force Command News and Discussions

[RocketLaw]

Honestly, we are tired of using old, slow, outdated methods with our expensive high cost airforce like F-16, JF-17 Block 2/3, J-10CE, Mirages, F-6s, and other old planes.

Remember that we had no response for FOUR days during the war with India before slow reaction.

What impressed me the most about Iran is its creativity and innovation during 12-13 days war (very tense and stressful). They used different technologies like "cluster munition" or something else to confuse enemy air defenses and drone warfare, that's surprising!

Our bases and air forces could likely be wiped out in the next war because of Pakistan’s narrow geography.

I hope Pakistan realizes that updating our OUTDATED SYSTEM should be a top priority. We have no rocket experience in this field at all.

Nuke is last option, probably never use it anymore.

Pakistan's old experiences:
1960 to 2015 - Intelligence games (ISI)
1975 to 2025 - Airforces (F-16, JF-17, J-10CE, etc - very expensive)
2027 to ? - Smart Rockets + Drones Welfares

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

I did not realise Iran had this many missile bases but makes sense given stockpiles were always assumed to be high

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Honestly, we are tired of using old, slow, outdated methods with our expensive high cost airforce like F-16, JF-17 Block 2/3, J-10CE, Mirages, F-6s, and other old planes.

Remember that we had no response for FOUR days during the war with India before slow reaction.

What impressed me the most about Iran is its creativity and innovation during 12-13 days war (very tense and stressful). They used different technologies like "cluster munition" or something else to confuse enemy air defenses and drone warfare, that's surprising!

Our bases and air forces could likely be wiped out in the next war because of Pakistan’s narrow geography.

I hope Pakistan realizes that updating our OUTDATED SYSTEM should be a top priority. We have no rocket experience in this field at all.

Nuke is last option, probably never use it anymore.

Pakistan's old experiences:
1960 to 2015 - Intelligence games (ISI)
1975 to 2025 - Airforces (F-16, JF-17, J-10CE, etc - very expensive)
2027 to ? - Smart Rockets + Drones Welfares

Egyptian airforce was wiped out on the ground. With what is happening right now... it is even harder to protect airfields...
This being an offensive weapon of choice for most countries becomes a daunting challenge to start playing defense.

Iran doesn't have a huge task in making zionist airstrips inoperable once the interceptors run out owing to its overall size. Which both helps protecting assets and once depleted makes them equally vulnerable.
Pakistan, in favor of an offensive defense doctrine has to put the enemy on the back foot early on and it requires major conceptual and doctrinal changes.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

Egyptian airforce was wiped out on the ground. With what is happening right now... it is even harder to protect airfields...
This being an offensive weapon of choice for most countries becomes a daunting challenge to start playing defense.

Iran doesn't have a huge task in making zionist airstrips inoperable once the interceptors run out owing to its overall size. Which both helps protecting assets and once depleted makes them equally vulnerable.
Pakistan, in favor of an offensive defense doctrine has to put the enemy on the back foot early on and it requires major conceptual and doctrinal changes.

The issue with Pakistani strategist and officer class is they are stuck in a very old mindset and are extremely rigid, resistant to evolving with new threat developments.

It took an active conflict for them to realise they need a rocket force command, this should be scary because while Indians built strike weapons we learnt nothing. If this was a full fledged war it could be a disaster to learn late what others saw.

And Pakistan does need more redundancy infrastructure for back up to maximise dispersal ops for the air force

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

At the moment, the only options are the SOEs.

Increasing the involvement of the private sector would be a step in the right direction but the results would be severely limited by the fact that the bulk (yes, the bulk) of critical technologies are still imported/smuggled through complex channels/work arounds.

What good it is if we ask a private setup to produce outer structures for lets say 200 missiles, but the main components, electronics modules, fuel/pneumatic systems, guidance systems, control systems, etc all have to be smuggled through complex channels which we can do for lets say just 30 odd missiles in that period/fiscal year? Bcz all this secret smuggling/importing can't be done by a private business owner, the state must be involved. So our production rates are capped again.

We could have much easily transferred production to private entities had we achieved indigenization of core technologies in house. We are still ancient when it comes to that. 'China say mangwa lo' culture has proven a doubled edged sword. We were never forced to make things in-house (like Iran was) and now we're super dependent on the Chinese for everything.

So there are multiple layers of headaches to be had before we can think of real improvements and significant capacity enhancement.

On the other hand, raising a new 'Rocket Force Command', employing new generals and their entourages, and doing other cosmetic steps is quite easier and has more PR points.

Crazy how this guy was actually raising entirely true points about the dangerous inefficiencies of Pakistan's defence industry & SOEs and instead people argued with him and called him Indian.

I admit he is obviously pessimistic but its extremely immature to not take criticism - that's how you end up getting caught with your pants down in a real fight. Overestimation and ego are destructive traits.

 

[Bratva]

Seeing how much interceptor tech has evolved and refined and India has advanced air defence system which it is upgrading further. Our ballistic missiles are gonna be intercepted at higher rate. Neither Pakistan has quantity or quality in missile tech. Iran has fired 4000+ ballistic missiles and drones in 2 weeks. Do we have that kind of quantity?

. Fatah-II is the only missile which can penetrate Indian IADS with some ease. We need an answer for Brahmos and ALBM equivalents sooner and faster. Mass producing that solution is another need of hour. Next time, our artillery and armoured corps gonna face a barrage of loitering munitions and supersonic missiles that they can't handle.

 

[Bratva]

Crazy how this guy was actually raising entirely true points about the dangerous inefficiencies of Pakistan's defence industry & SOEs and instead people argued with him and called him Indian.

I admit he is obviously pessimistic but its extremely immature to not take criticism - that's how you end up getting caught with your pants down in a real fight. Overestimation and ego are destructive traits.

Airforce is not gonna be there everytime to safe ground troops and make Pakistan proud.

 

[TallGuy]

Seeing how much interceptor tech has evolved and refined and India advanced air defense system which it is upgrading further. Our ballistic missiles are gonna be intercepted at higher rate. Neither Pakistan has quantity or quality in missile tech. Iran has fired 4000+ ballistic missiles and drones in 2 weeks. Do we have that kind of quantity?

. Fatah-II is the only missile which can penetrate Indian IADS with some ease. We need an answer for Brahmos and ALBM equivalents sooner and faster. Mass producing that solution is another need of hour. Next time, our artillery and armoured corps gonna face a barrage of loitering munitions and supersonic missiles that they can't handle.

Sir, we need Aero-ballistic missile in class of Raad-500 and Khybarshikan II as Tactical ballistic missile - This Iran War has opened a completely new can of worms

this war is a turning point in military history, how the drones (One-way attack Drone which became precision guided) importance of SPACE Based Intelligence and ability to have your own SATCOM

So much will be re-thought once this war is over.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Sir, we need Aero-ballistic missile in class of Raad-500 and Khybarshikan II as Tactical ballistic missile - This Iran War has opened a completely new can of worms

this war is a turning point in military history, how the drones (One-way attack Drone which became precision guided) importance of SPACE Based Intelligence and ability to have your own SATCOM

So much will be re-thought once this war is over.

on the other hand, air power has also performed well

though, it has limited effectiveness, so far now

USAF believes, bombing to flatten cities/bases can win wars. But, this is questionable for an opponent who has equally effective airforce

(im not a military expert)

 

[Bratva]

Sir, we need Aero-ballistic missile in class of Raad-500 and Khybarshikan II as Tactical ballistic missile - This Iran War has opened a completely new can of worms

this war is a turning point in military history, how the drones (One-way attack Drone which became precision guided) importance of SPACE Based Intelligence and ability to have your own SATCOM

So much will be re-thought once this war is over.

Here lies another issue. Which aircrafts would carry these ALBM? Mirages, JF-17, J-10 ? only JF-17 has Peshawar & Quetta bases which gives them depth. Rest of planes are situated in vulnerable bases which would face extensive damage from Indian ALBM/GLCM/Brahmos.

So If we gonna fire ALBM from Peshawar/Quetta, we need an ALBM in the range of 1000 KM at least to effectively hit Barnala IADS and Delhi IAF command HQ. But can JF-17 carry an ALBM of such size? Here is the second issue. We've not seen JF-17 firing any ALBM of 500 - 1000 KM range in last 20 years and PAF is not in hurry to procure ALBM or integrate any heavy ALBM's with JF-17.

Their fixation with subsonic continues for reasons the boomer leadership can explain.

And the last issue? Our military planners don't adapt. They keep dragging their feet with "Dekha jaye ga" mentality. Planners had no answer for Brahmos in 2019 with Modi "Qatal ki Raat". It was our air-force which held them back. . We had no answer for Brahmos in 2022 when it accidentally came into Pakistan. We had no answer for Brahmos in 2025 and our strategic paralysis and restraint made India fearless to launch more brahmos on 10th May.

We had 6 years to learn (2019 - 2025) and we learnt nothing about Brahmos. In the next round, I'm praying for Navy. The surface command gonna get hammered. Our submarines has to play the role of airforce.

 

[Starlord]

Seeing how much interceptor tech has evolved and refined and India has advanced air defence system which it is upgrading further. Our ballistic missiles are gonna be intercepted at higher rate. Neither Pakistan has quantity or quality in missile tech. Iran has fired 4000+ ballistic missiles and drones in 2 weeks. Do we have that kind of quantity?

. Fatah-II is the only missile which can penetrate Indian IADS with some ease. We need an answer for Brahmos and ALBM equivalents sooner and faster. Mass producing that solution is another need of hour. Next time, our artillery and armoured corps gonna face a barrage of loitering munitions and supersonic missiles that they can't handle.

wonder how much a Fateh-II rocket/BM cost? and how many we can produce locally per year?

 

[NationalistPKDude132]

Seeing how much interceptor tech has evolved and refined and India has advanced air defence system which it is upgrading further. Our ballistic missiles are gonna be intercepted at higher rate. Neither Pakistan has quantity or quality in missile tech. Iran has fired 4000+ ballistic missiles and drones in 2 weeks. Do we have that kind of quantity?

. Fatah-II is the only missile which can penetrate Indian IADS with some ease. We need an answer for Brahmos and ALBM equivalents sooner and faster. Mass producing that solution is another need of hour. Next time, our artillery and armoured corps gonna face a barrage of loitering munitions and supersonic missiles that they can't handle.

We already have answer for ALCM in form of taimur cruise missile(our own scalp which has more range and is better and faster)

What we need is Huge amount of kamikaze drones and Hypersonic Missiles to hit S400


Ukraine has shown the way to defeat Russian S400... it is proven s400 is not the impenetrable we thought it was.

 

[kimjongun]

Seeing how much interceptor tech has evolved and refined and India has advanced air defence system which it is upgrading further. Our ballistic missiles are gonna be intercepted at higher rate. Neither Pakistan has quantity or quality in missile tech. Iran has fired 4000+ ballistic missiles and drones in 2 weeks. Do we have that kind of quantity?

. Fatah-II is the only missile which can penetrate Indian IADS with some ease. We need an answer for Brahmos and ALBM equivalents sooner and faster. Mass producing that solution is another need of hour. Next time, our artillery and armoured corps gonna face a barrage of loitering munitions and supersonic missiles that they can't handle.

If only the army would pull its head out of 70s era tactics of employing large armored columns and actually focuses towards faster and quicker actions maybe then some good things will happen for us other wise we will loose most of our warfighting capability in the next presumably a lil longer conflict .

 

[Oscar]

Here lies another issue. Which aircrafts would carry these ALBM? Mirages, JF-17, J-10 ? only JF-17 has Peshawar & Quetta bases which gives them depth. Rest of planes are situated in vulnerable bases which would face extensive damage from Indian ALBM/GLCM/Brahmos.

So If we gonna fire ALBM from Peshawar/Quetta, we need an ALBM in the range of 1000 KM at least to effectively hit Barnala IADS and Delhi IAF command HQ. But can JF-17 carry an ALBM of such size? Here is the second issue. We've not seen JF-17 firing any ALBM of 500 - 1000 KM range in last 20 years and PAF is not in hurry to procure ALBM or integrate any heavy ALBM's with JF-17.

Their fixation with subsonic continues for reasons the boomer leadership can explain.

And the last issue? Our military planners don't adapt. They keep dragging their feet with "Dekha jaye ga" mentality. Planners had no answer for Brahmos in 2019 with Modi "Qatal ki Raat". It was our air-force which held them back. . We had no answer for Brahmos in 2022 when it accidentally came into Pakistan. We had no answer for Brahmos in 2025 and our strategic paralysis and restraint made India fearless to launch more brahmos on 10th May.

We had 6 years to learn (2019 - 2025) and we learnt nothing about Brahmos. In the next round, I'm praying for Navy. The surface command gonna get hammered. Our submarines has to play the role of airforce.

While valid concerns - Ballistics are much harder to intercept and both the Iranian and Ukrainian conflicts have shown that saturation with ballistics isn’t really required in the number unless interceptors outnumber in a significant ratio as is the case with Israel (with USN support)

India is definitely adding a lot but that process and numbers aren’t in the need of 2000 missiles just yet.

The issue is also not just leadership but also knowledge levels not all being uniform and the old “posting” situation tends to also create gaps in momentum and knowledge.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

Airforce is not gonna be there everytime to safe ground troops and make Pakistan proud.

Our Air Force infrastructure like air bases are extremely vulnerable to missile barrages but no one is talking about it or an actual solution...

Then there is the major problem of industrial production which means we can't produce anything in meaningful numbers in-house. Chinese won't help because they want to keep us as customers, not producers.

Our officer class and commanders on top of that have subpar training and there's a question mark on their competency & ability to evolve according to modern warfare demands