Operation Ghazab Lil Haq (Pakistan - Afghanistan War)

[030292]

One point. For good or bad, this campaign in Afghanistan is allowing Pakistani forces ample training in use of drones in actual operations. Deployment at scale, dealing with fatigue in crews operating the drones, refinement of doctrine, strategy and tactics, all will be getting better and that bodes positively for any future situation with India.

very good point, the modern warfare is heavily dependent on drone warfare.

 

[Blain2]

Not only that look at how terribly that post is setup, they are standing completely in the open without any cover, this is how a checkpoint should be set up with barriers and watchtowers.

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Lots to be done to enhance our security posture.

Some SL security people came to visit Pakistan and were amazed at the lack of seriousness with security in ISB during the peak of suicide attacks in Pakistan.

This is not to be generalized, but the personnel who were supposed to be on stand-to failed this entire detachment at the post and they paid for it with their lives.

 

[Taimoor]

Taliban 1.0 were fighting to liberate Afghanistan from Soviet occupation without having the baggage of massive takfiri brainwashing.

Taliban 2.0 are nothing like the 1.0. They have been infested by Takfiriat, their goal is to dominate Pakistan ideologically and bring their interpretation of Islamic rule so they can extend their influence to Iran and others. PTI (actually Imran Khan himself) has always had a soft corner for the Taliban in Afghanistan and this is the "alignment" that I speak of.

This accommodation allowed them to get along with each other and the Afghan Taliban did not cause any major unrest in KPK because they could focus on Balochistan through their BLA proxies there.

Our establishment courted the Taliban for as long as they were not acting against the state of Pakistan. The day this started happening with Taliban's proxy support, Pakistan establishment pulled back its engagement. KPK has gone on its own trajectory with the Taliban for reasons that are known to everyone here.

You can blame the GHQ which is your prerogative, but it does nothing to hide the reality which is that the ground was made fertile in both Balochistan (by the local Sardars and Nawabs) and in the KPK by the political dispensation then and now to give space to anti-state actors (TTP + BLA).

Which time frame you are living under? Taliban 1.0 got nothing to with fighting the soviets. They were fighting with other Afghan warlords for the power, aka civil war.

These are myopic views that Taliban wants impose their ways on Pakistan, just to sell certain narratives and agendas. First, they don't have the capacity or capability to overrun physically or ideologically a country many size bigger then they are. They cant even impose it within Afghanistan with northern areas always resisting. And how can you tell that Taliban 1.0 didnt have such views as well, which might be actually related to the status of durand line which predates them and very much part of Afghan (not taliban) psyche?

Right, you used the term "ideological" alignment, which means completely different thing all together. Glad you corrected yourself. You people keep on confusing in rather emotional stuff like IK had a soft corner for Taliban. By that account, military establishment had much longer love affair with them. what say you? Bottom line is, you have to work with what you got. You were coming out of phase, where northern alliance dominated Afghanistan literally made Pakistan hell hole with 80k dead , while under the American occupation for two decades. You only had Taliban to work with. Secure the west and focus on east. That was the simple strategy which people to this day, cannot comprehend due to their political and institutional biases, rather looking at things from what is best of Pakistan. You bringing Baluchistan in this, I am afriad is the figment of your imagination. Pakistan by en large was peaceful during IK time.

 

[hasssanali8998]

Grand Mufti of the Supreme Court of Afghanistan, Sheikh Mawlawi Abdul Rauf, has issued a fatwa of jihad against Pakistan.
He stated that it is obligatory upon all Muslims to go to or join the battlefield against Pakistani state.

these muftis should also be under our cross hairs if we decide to strike leadership

 

[T80UD]

Lots to be done to enhance our security posture.

Some SL security people came to visit Pakistan and were amazed at the lack of seriousness with security in ISB during the peak of suicide attacks in Pakistan.

This is not to be generalized, but the personnel who were supposed to be on stand-to failed this entire detachment at the post and they paid for it with their lives.

For the country that has been facing a insurgency for the last 20 years I am always shocked by loss of soldiers in situations that could have been prevented if they had just been a bit more aware of their surroundings.

 

[Aziqbal]

Can someone confirm the target that was destroyed ?

Was it rehabilitation Centre?

 

[Sainthood 2.0]

“If we receive authorization from the Amir al-Mu’minin Mullah Hibatullah Alhunzada Sahib, our Mujahideen are prepared to enter Pakistan, seize territory, and eliminate those deemed un-Islamic. Furthermore, he articulated an intent to target pregnant women in a manner described as removing wombs to prevent future generations from posing a threat to Afghanistan."

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Their obsession with bombing random mosques and now this
They are mentally ill people from all the wars over the past 40-50 years with nothing to lose

What a messed-up situation for us to handle

 

[reader2026]

Pak - Afghanistan border, North Waziristan:

5x soldiers embraced martyrdom when Afghan T*aliban opened fire on Pakistan's checkpost

how many times man why are we never prepared for retaliation .

The payback should be astronomical!

 

[Ali_Baba]

Why do we always have to call up falcons and thunders for these strikes? No talk of mirages and f-7s. And especially puzzling is where are our ucavs? Those are perfect for this environment

Because the F7s and Mirages are very old platforms with a high risk of failure over Afghanistan... not for optics if one goes down in Afghanistan, it is bad for optics.

 

[Ibbi32]

zia's Islamisation and its consequences have been a disaster for pakistan

People blame zia too freely. If zias islamisation was so bad why did supposedly secular benazir support if so much and actively promote islamisation in relation to taliban 1.0 and the Kashmir insurgency and then later on nawaz sharif government who felt the effects of this first hand and recognised the negative influence caused by this policy but refused to meaningfully combat it

 

[Falgrine]

Can someone confirm the target that was destroyed ?

Was it rehabilitation Centre?

Brother do you really think PAF would target such a place.
The actual target which was hit and completely obliterated was such that it has given the bloody Hindoos a massive heart burn. Thats why Afghan and Indians are howling together so much.

 

[Blain2]

Which time frame you are living under? Taliban 1.0 got nothing to with fighting the soviets. They were fighting with other Afghan warlords for the power, aka civil war.

These are myopic views that Taliban wants impose their ways on Pakistan, just to sell certain narratives and agendas. First, they don't have the capacity or capability to overrun physically or ideologically a country many size bigger then they are. They cant even impose it within Afghanistan with northern areas always resisting. And how can you tell that Taliban 1.0 didnt have such views as well, which might be actually related to the status of durand line which predates them and very much part of Afghan (not taliban) psyche?

Right, you used the term "ideological" alignment, which means completely different thing all together. Glad you corrected yourself. You people keep on confusing in rather emotional stuff like IK had a soft corner for Taliban. By that account, military establishment had much longer love affair with them. what say you? Bottom line is, you have to work with what you got. You were coming out of phase, where northern alliance dominated Afghanistan literally made Pakistan hell hole with 80k dead , while under the American occupation for two decades. You only had Taliban to work with. Secure the west and focus on east. That was the simple strategy which people to this day, cannot comprehend due to their political and institutional biases, rather looking at things from what is best of Pakistan. You bringing Baluchistan in this, I am afriad is the figment of your imagination. Pakistan by en large was peaceful during IK time.

Taliban 1.0 was the set up that ended up with Afghanistan after Soviets withdrew. They were the ones who murdered Najeebullah. Many of the Taliban 1.0 included people who fought in the Afghan Jihad against the Soviets aided by Pakistan and supported by Saudi/US aid. Perhaps you may not know the individuals involved but I can name a long list who morphed from Afghan jihad against the Soviets to the Taliban 1.0 setup.

Second, these are not "myopic" views. You need to read the TTP publications which clearly state what their mission and goals are and they have a significant following in KPK. You cannot tell me that my view is "myopic" when you are unable to read the landscape yourself. Let me explain what I meant by that. We are not living in the "hypothetical" or the "theoretical" space with what the TTP and Afghan Taliban would do/could do because we have already seen what they tried to do in Swat and the adjacent areas and we saw that manifested in Afghanistan after ISAF departure. This is the reason Afghan Taliban are unwilling to give up on TTP. They could easily neuter the TTP by telling them to live peacefully in Afghanistan and stop attacking Pakistan. The fact that they let them attack is tied to the Taliban 2.0 ideology which is to expand their influence and interpretation of Sharia into Pakistan proper. This should be clearly understood by ALL Pakistanis.

Let me grant, IK and PTI did what made sense for them then. Do the same now and grant that Pakistan and GoP are now doing what makes sense for the country today. The situation on the ground is different today than it was in the past. Also, the Taliban in Afg. of today are no longer the people who aligned with Pakistan earlier.

 

[SABRE]

Because the F7s and Mirages are very old platforms with a high risk of failure over Afghanistan... not for optics if one goes down in Afghanistan, it is bad for optics.

The risk is absolutely minimal. If they are worthy of operation against India, they can definitely perform with high margin of safety over Afghanistan. And as someone who has interacted with the pilots of the two aircraft, I am confident in the performances. Nevertheless, F-16 out performs them in both air-to-ground and air-to-air role.

F-7 is primarily an interceptor with minimum air-to-ground strike capability. It has minimal significance in Afghanistan where areial threats are practically non existent.

Mirages, especially Mirage-V, are optimised for ground attack, including precision strikes. Their missing out in action is a curious case.

 

[rafale]

Are we killing any Indians in Afghanistan as collateral?

I mean considering the vile and scam nature of Indians in general, like how they abandoned Iran, one would wonder if all Indian handlers left Afghanistan the moment PAF started bombing their proxies......

 

[Blain2]

Grand Mufti of the Supreme Court of Afghanistan, Sheikh Mawlawi Abdul Rauf, has issued a fatwa of jihad against Pakistan.
He stated that it is obligatory upon all Muslims to go to or join the battlefield against Pakistani state.

these muftis should also be under our cross hairs if we decide to strike leadership

Just like the previous fatwas to stop the bloodshed of Pakistan Muslims at the hands of their TTP terrorists fell on deaf ears, this one too is going into the trash bin.