JF-17 - Updates, News & Discussion

m52k85 said:
Buying Jf-17s into 2030s is like buying F-7PGs (or rather Mig-21 Bisons) into 2000s. It brings capability, but very little and soon to be outdated ones. We must move onto J-10Cs at the very minimum.
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Both J10CE and JF17C are of the same generation(4.5), with the only difference being range, and payload infavour of the J10CE.

A generational change is the J-35AE.

It makes sense to procure both J10CE/JF17CE for current requirements if the J-35AE is not ready yet.
 
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m52k85 said:
Buying Jf-17s into 2030s is like buying F-7PGs (or rather Mig-21 Bisons) into 2000s. It brings capability, but very little and soon to be outdated ones. We must move onto J-10Cs at the very minimum.
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is china willing to finance them if we're unable to keep up with current payments?
 
Ali_Baba said:
Or fix the economy and get the J-35AE as soon as possible.
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That would be suboptimal at I think since nothing is forcing our hand. 5th or 4.5 both consume spares, and there only so many places and so many times they can be logistically within a given amount of time.
 
Watandar said:
JF-17 now being covered in European media.

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The only thing constant in Pakistan is its military which regularly gets live combat experience.

If we can develop our own military tools, it has the potential to turn Pakistan into a massive military exporter. But instead Turkey is taking our place.

Literally all we do is fight, fight, fight, but we give all our PR and exposure to Chinese and Turkish products.

How hard is it to start giving some credit to Pakistani technology to kickstart some sales?
 
Hopefully Pessimistic said:
The only thing constant in Pakistan is its military which regularly gets live combat experience.

If we can develop our own military tools, it has the potential to turn Pakistan into a massive military exporter. But instead Turkey is taking our place.
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Türkiye can develop high quality platform, weapons and systems on "mass", Pakistan's industry for weapons is more of a "cottage" industry for small production runs with high unit costs.

It cannot complete on pure R&D against Türkiye as Pakistan does not invest in it's universities as much as Türkiye does. Türkiye universities are tightly integrated into its weapons manufacturing industry on scale and mass providing core R&D capabilities, at best 2-3 universities in Pakistan would be capable of performing at the same level as the standard ones in Türkiye.

It also does not have the financial resources to build the infrastructure that allows its weapons to be built on an "industrial" scale where scale of economies means a cheaper product at a unit cost level.

Pakistan has built the Taimoor cruise missiles, and if Pakistan can manufacture and procure 20 of them, it will be an achievement for Pakistani industry itself and for the PAF. The unit of scale for the procurement will "not" be in the hundreds, compared to what Türkiye will procure of its own systems.

Hopefully Pessimistic said:
Literally all we do is fight, fight, fight, but we give all our PR and exposure to Chinese and Turkish products.
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Pakistan cannot produce on mass or scale, anything it has designed, so the opportunity window for their utilization is low.
 
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Ali_Baba said:
Türkiye can develop high quality platform, weapons and systems on "mass", Pakistan's industry for weapons is more of a "cottage" industry for small production runs with high unit costs. It cannot complete on pure R&D as Pakistan does not invest in it's universities as much as Türkiye does. Türkiye universitites are tightly integrated into its weapons manufacturing industry on scale and mass, at best 2-3 universities in Pakistan would be capable of performing at the same level as the standard ones in Türkiye.

It also does not have the financial resources to build the infrastructure that allows its weapons to be built on an "industrial" scale where scale of economies means a cheaper product.



Pakistan cannot produce on mass or scale, anything it has designed, so the opportunity window for their utilization is low.
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I understand this, but it starts somewhere.

We are fighting a war in Afghanistan, why are our drones not being given publicity like the Shahpar–3?

This would be a good start, proceeds can be used for reinvestment, once you build an image you can hedge your bets by putting larger amounts into defence hoping for returns after they see active combat usage.
 
Yasser76 said:
Why did J-10 not let F-7PG get a kill? Or Mirage III or F-16A?

F-22 has no air to air kill, maybe email the USAF and share your thoughts.

I think I need to stop interacting with you, it is obvious you are here to flame.

Retard
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What do you call people who talk like this?

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