Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

mangekyo said:
I don’t understand why China is sleeping on this. Do they not want the most important corridor in the entire world to be under the control of BRICS?
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CHINA is very cautious and conservative, analyzing and observing everything. They will be ready in 2040, so be patient.

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dbc said:
start with tone down the rhetoric i.e. death to America and death to Israel. Moderate, pivot to business and development. Nothing works as well as opportunity for global investors to generate ROI and when US investors have their money in Iran it's likely to influence US policy more than missiles and drones. Iran has leverage in natural resources, young educated work force and a large population. I think Iranians at their core are business people probably from centuries of being at the hub of global trade. Look at China in the 70's and look at them now. They are laser focused on development and once they achieved sufficient traction they invested in defense. Not that China is perfect but at least they focused on themselves and prioritized their own nation.

Iran is falling behind in the transition to new energy. We are not far from a future where oil and gas become less important and consequently generate less revenue. Saudi is preparing for that future and Iran is squandering her natural wealth on side quests beyond her borders instead of investing in herself.
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Not to throw a wrench into your post, but there are several things that need to be addressed:
  1. China had the century of humiliation (opium war, boxer rebellion, etc), Japanese occupation, and the Chinese civil war. This has been cemented in the Chinese psyche that they will never again would want to be subjected to occupation hence why the CPC was laser focused on rapidly developing out with the explicit goal of having a powerful enough economy coupled with a self sufficient military and having nukes also helps. This is also a reason why any sort of representative government fails because it regresses into a cult of personality where the only incentive is to get votes for the next election cycle.
  2. China ultimately is not a threat to Israel, which is what the US has focused on for the past 60+ years and thus need to view Iran from the lens of how the US government would approach the mideast/west asia as long as it benefits Israel.
  3. Iran tried to open up to US investment multiple times under the "reformist" leaders (JCPOA, which ended up being a sham) and was more than willing to help the US immediately after 9/11 only to be labeled part of the axis of evil by GWB (if you lived in the US long enough you would remember this).
  4. Iran was always on the chopping block hence Gen. Wesley Clark's famous statement "5 countries within 5 years".
  5. Syria, Libya, and Iraq had good relations with the US/EU in trade and in other areas of cooperation...well we saw how those countries went.
  6. Iran has been focused on building out self sufficiency of their economy, but because of sanctions certain items are harder to come by or export to different countries. This causes a rippling effect which leads to an increase of insider threats and corruption within the country's economy. Now there are other issues, but sanctions are the elephant in the room.
  7. We already have an example of countries like Jordan and Egypt that have gone the route of getting US investment, but are highly dysfunctional and stagnant economies for many reasons one of which is due to out of touch boomers/older gen xers not giving opportunities to the younger generation (millenials, gen zers), hence why it is very common for people with masters degrees either leaving or working dead end jobs.
  8. Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Gulf Arab countries don't really have a future in anything. Their economies are run by foreigners, they rely on consulting companies to handle planning, and they have incompetent militaries (IYKYK). For example Saudi Arabia wasted billions on the "Line" project that will most likely fail or has already failed (too lazy to look it up at the moment)
  9. In the mid-east/west asia providing money to US doesn't work, I can't remember if it was a Qatari or a Kuwaiti Emir that said something on the line of "We gave billions of dollars to the US only for them to focus more on Israel" a couple days ago. To be in even considered a viable negotiating partner one needs to have credible deterrence through whatever means necessary.
  10. The only country you could possibly use as an example is Turkey, but they too have also been subject to sanctions, restrictions, economic woes. Most likely they will be on the chopping block, hence the rhetoric coming from Naftali Bennett.
  11. Fossil fuels wont ever go away due to the high energy capacity factor and its uses in many different industries such as steel, semiconductors, plastics. One could invest in solar, wind, hydro but those have restrictions i.e. with solar/wind the capacity factor ranges from 20-30%. With the exception of hydro, solar and wind aren't suitable for powering the real economy (think manufacturing).
  12. Coming to nuclear energy, now Iran has been trying to build them out (for good reason) only for the US/Israel either bombing or sabotaging those powerplants because of some vague nuclear threat. Same thing happened with Syria and Iraq, both of those countries had nuclear power plants/reactors only for them to bombed by Israel.
  13. The other issue with Nuclear is getting the fuel for the reactors, one could rely on another country to provide the fuel, but that adds an external dependency.
I could go in more details like assassination of intellectuals in mid east countries
TLDR: The game was rigged from the start
 
lightning f57 said:
trumpy is a lying moron, better to ignore what he says
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Exactly. He is a pathological liar. He is apparently deploying the Marines for a land (covert) invasion.

Never believe anything that comes out of the mouth of the pro-zionists.

Just like nuttyYahoo... They are all proven liars
 
Olympus81 said:
A good off ramp will be for Trump to share Bibi’a coordinates for Iran to take him out, and Iran can give America and itself an off ramp to call it a tie.

Maybe get Ben Gvir the cuck as well as part of a deal. Throw in Witkoff and Kushner as well for good measure.
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Such a betrayal will expose the Epstein files where Trump allegedly raped 12 year olds.
 
dr.coomer said:
Not to throw a wrench into your post, but there are several things that need to be addressed:
  1. China had the century of humiliation (opium war, boxer rebellion, etc), Japanese occupation, and the Chinese civil war. This has been cemented in the Chinese psyche that they will never again would want to be subjected to occupation hence why the CPC was laser focused on rapidly developing out with the explicit goal of having a powerful enough economy coupled with a self sufficient military and having nukes also helps. This is also a reason why any sort of representative government fails because it regresses into a cult of personality where the only incentive is to get votes for the next election cycle.
  2. China ultimately is not a threat to Israel, which is what the US has focused on for the past 60+ years and thus need to view Iran from the lens of how the US government would approach the mideast/west asia as long as it benefits Israel.
  3. Iran tried to open up to US investment multiple times under the "reformist" leaders (JCPOA, which ended up being a sham) and was more than willing to help the US immediately after 9/11 only to be labeled part of the axis of evil by GWB (if you lived in the US long enough you would remember this).
  4. Iran was always on the chopping block hence Gen. Wesley Clark's famous statement "5 countries within 5 years".
  5. Syria, Libya, and Iraq had good relations with the US/EU in trade and in other areas of cooperation...well we saw how those countries went.
  6. Iran has been focused on building out self sufficiency of their economy, but because of sanctions certain items are harder to come by or export to different countries. This causes a rippling effect which leads to an increase of insider threats and corruption within the country's economy. Now there are other issues, but sanctions are the elephant in the room.
  7. We already have an example of countries like Jordan and Egypt that have gone the route of getting US investment, but are highly dysfunctional and stagnant economies for many reasons one of which is due to out of touch boomers/older gen xers not giving opportunities to the younger generation (millenials, gen zers), hence why it is very common for people with masters degrees either leaving or working dead end jobs.
  8. Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Gulf Arab countries don't really have a future in anything. Their economies are run by foreigners, they rely on consulting companies to handle planning, and they have incompetent militaries (IYKYK). For example Saudi Arabia wasted billions on the "Line" project that will most likely fail or has already failed (too lazy to look it up at the moment)
  9. In the mid-east/west asia providing money to US doesn't work, I can't remember if it was a Qatari or a Kuwaiti Emir that said something on the line of "We gave billions of dollars to the US only for them to focus more on Israel" a couple days ago. To be in even considered a viable negotiating partner one needs to have credible deterrence through whatever means necessary.
  10. The only country you could possibly use as an example is Turkey, but they too have also been subject to sanctions, restrictions, economic woes. Most likely they will be on the chopping block, hence the rhetoric coming from Naftali Bennett.
  11. Fossil fuels wont ever go away due to the high energy capacity factor and its uses in many different industries such as steel, semiconductors, plastics. One could invest in solar, wind, hydro but those have restrictions i.e. with solar/wind the capacity factor ranges from 20-30%. With the exception of hydro, solar and wind aren't suitable for powering the real economy (think manufacturing).
  12. Coming to nuclear energy, now Iran has been trying to build them out (for good reason) only for the US/Israel either bombing or sabotaging those powerplants because of some vague nuclear threat. Same thing happened with Syria and Iraq, both of those countries had nuclear power plants/reactors only for them to bombed by Israel.
  13. The other issue with Nuclear is getting the fuel for the reactors, one could rely on another country to provide the fuel, but that adds an external dependency.
I could go in more details like assassination of intellectuals in mid east countries
TLDR: The game was rigged from the start
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very good summary
 
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The entire US ponzi scheme of an economy is based on GCC selling energy in USD, of which much of it goes through the strait. The US cannot survive in it’s current state without the strait. Trump is an idiot who just disrespects basic intelligence of people.
 
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