Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Cash gk]

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[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

If it was directed at dimona I think everyone know especially after the Israelis “denied” hitting an inactive nuclear facility I think the Iranians are like well we only have one nuclear site left if you guys want to risk a nuclear meltdown that will effect the entire by all means go ahead

still, now known, what was hit or what was targeted

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

My advice to you is to take your medicine.

who asked for your advice???!!!!

please seek urgent medical attention for your mental paranoia

 

[Oracle]

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That confirms it's not a nuclear site.

In case of nuclear site hit. Everyone would have been evacuated. Not filming like this

We would have seen camera scattering noise in case of nuclear fallout.

So it wasnt a nuclear site hit

 

[Shags101]

still, now known, what was hit or what was targeted

I don’t know what was hit but I’m percent what was targeted at least

IDF says it struck ‘strategic’ nuclear weapons development site at university in Tehran

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www.timesofisrael.com

So I guess schools are fair game if it was so strategic why didn’t they bomb it early on you would think Iranians would have moved anything “strategic” off site

 

[PakAl]

thanks for laying out the ground work for me.
I will try to be conscise as I cant add anything futher or repeat what you said, but I want to highlight a velnurabilty that affects Pakistan and Iran. that is when Pakistan enters this war on Saudis demands.

this one-sided defense arrangement with the Saudis. (I call it walk the plank while a shotgun is aimed on your back by saudis)
What exactly are we honoring? The Saudis are demanding Pakistan activate a deal that was apparently sealed with two currencies: the blood of Pakistani soldiers who would fight Iran, and the blood of ordinary Pakistani citizens who will bear the cost of a direct conflict—both from the war itself and from the advantage India and its proxies (Afghan Taliban, BLA, TTP) will inevitably take the moment our western front ignites.

The structure of this arrangement has always been asymmetrical. When the Afghan Taliban attacked Pakistan from across the border, where was the Saudi division? When India conducted airstrikes , did Riyadh activate anything? No. The deal only seems to work one way: when Saudi interests are in play, Pakistan is expected to show up with its soldiers. When Pakistan bleeds, the Saudis don't even send a statement (ok they do but it can be confused with a staement from Jameca).
Whether by design or consequence, look at what's unfolded.
Israel provoked Iran into attacking GCC economic infrastructure—followed by false flags, followed by follow-up strikes on Iranian oil and gas when Tehran was not retaliating enough against the Gulf states. Now, Israel has successfully forced Pakistan into the war through the Saudi interface. That's the strategic victory for Tel Aviv: they don't need to fight Iran directly. They just activated a chain where Pakistan does it for them, bound by a deal we signed decades ago and can't walk away from because of dollars. now imagine the Israeli's and indians rubbing their hands with anticipation, their two worst enemies might fight each other because their common economic and strategic ally i.e. Saudi Arabia wills it on Pakistan.

you know, our political parties and clergy (mostly Deobandi) has always termed Pakistan afight against TTP as mercernary war for dollars. our oppostion party and the clerics have always lambasted Pakistan army for fighting "own people" while being mute when their "own brothers" conducted massive terror operations.
I'm going to say something that will make some people uncomfortable. This will be the second real example of the Pakistan Army functioning as a mercenary force—doing the bidding of a foreign power, fighting a war that isn't ours. I am not talking about the fight against the Khawarij. That was, and always will be, Pakistan's war. The TTP, Al-Qaeda, the Afghan Taliban factions that target us—that's our fight, no questions asked.

But the first time we crossed that line was Bahrain. Pakistanis went in to quell an uprising, got paid for it, and then became shy when invited into the Yemen meatgrinder. The Saudis have not forgotten that hesitation. Now they are calling in the favor, and the price of saying no again may be more than this state can afford.

This isn't to question the bravery of Pakistani soldiers. It is to point out that when national defense policy is dictated by the need to protect remittance flows and loan rollovers, strategic autonomy is effectively outsourced. The Pakistan Army—the institution we all revere—is being reduced to a force that picks its wars not based on national interest but based on which foreign capital it cannot afford to lose.

let me tie it all together after Gen Munir threw an iftar dinner to our Shia community leaders and clerics.
General Munir met with Shia clerics and elders. He was not asking for permission. Hehas laid out the strategic compulsion.

his message was simple: the Pakistani state has no choice but to accept Saudi demands to confront Iran. how? that remains to be seen, will Pakistan man the oil fields and borders or will it send in its forces to attack and destroy the drone and missile sites attacking Saudis (something that Israelis and Americans have not fully succeeded but Pakistan is supposed to do so?) All the diplomacy, all the requests for calm, all the behind-the-scenes efforts to de-escalate—none of it has been good enough for Riyadh. Pakistan is now at a point where it must choose the lesser of two evils.

The options were laid out clearly:

• Option one: resist Saudi pressure and risk the immediate deportation of nearly two million Pakistani workers, the end of Saudi loans, and the collapse of a foreign reserve framework that has been propping up this country for years.
• Option two: comply with Saudi demands, confront Iran, make a third hostile neighbor, and indirectly hand the BLA, TTP, Afghan Taliban, and India exactly what they want—chaos along the entire western front while our forces are stretched beyond breaking point.

The Shia leadership was effectively told that diplomacy has run its course. And that Iran must not mistake Pakistan's restraint for weakness when the order comes it might have to do something which Americans and other GCC countries have not done ye (and maybe wont do). enter Iran from the east, yes its risky but Saudis are willing to risk Pakistani lives.
Let's be clear what a confrontation with Iran actually means.

A front with Iran means Pakistan's entire western border, from Chabahar to the Torkham Gate becomes a single theater. The BLA and the TTP will not fight Iran. They will exploit the redeployment of Frontier Corps and army units away from Balochistan and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. India, meanwhile, will use its Chabahar leverage to tighten the noose while our attention is fixed elsewhere.

This isn't just a war with Iran. It's the ungoverned space crisis multiplied by three. now make a guess, will Saudis lose any sleep over this scenario? I know our military planners are not having much sleep.

Finally
in short, Pakistan is cooked—much to the delight of our neighboring adversaries and the domestic doom-mongers who compete with Afghan and Indian trolls to spell Pakistan's collapse.

But the tragedy is not trolls. The tragedy is that a state with the region's most battle-hardened army has allowed its strategic choices to be defined by remittance diplomacy and loan rollovers. Gen Munir's message to the Shia clerics was clear: the Saudis have drawn a line, and Pakistan must choose the 'lesser evil.' The problem is that both options—capitulation or confrontation—lead to the same place: a fragmented western front, emboldened militants, and a strategic vacuum that India and its proxies will fill.

Pakistan fought the Khawarij because that was our war. If we fight Iran, it won't be. And everyone from Tehran to New Delhi to Tel Aviv—already knows it.

Thanks for your insight. Regarding Saudi Pak pact, Pakistan agencies already knew about the war on Iran but still the government signed the pact. The aim is to protect Al Saud from being attacked or toppled by someone, what most likely will happen is for Saudis to request Pakistan to stop missile attacks on Saudis, if Pakistan army enters Saudis and shoots down Iranian missiles, then Iran has every right to attack Pakistan mainland and if Iran does that then our army will retaliate. This is what we are all speculating but FM Asim Munir mentioned something else.

In the Shia ulema gathering with Gen Asim Munir, I think some ulema are taking everything out of proportion, yes FM Asim Munir did say if anyone loves Iran so much then move to Iran, he was talking about those who are protesting and causing damage in Pakistan since everyone knows under the hybrid regime its crime to protest, like TLP did Gaza March and got slaughtered by police and agencies, they were all sunnis.

FM Asim Munir at Shia ulema gathering made it clear "Iran will come out as victorious in this war, he also said people say Pakistan is the next target after Iran but Pakistan is not Iran, Pakistan will take half of the world down with us. He also said Pakistan and China are supporting Iran and he did dua for Ayatullah Khamani.

Pakistan Iran brotherly relations Zindabad, we will InshaAllah never attack Iran nor Iran will attack us.

 

[BHAN85]

That confirms it's not a nuclear site.

In case of nuclear site hit. Everyone would have been evacuated. Not filming like this

We would have seen camera scattering noise in case of nuclear fallout.

So it wasnt a nuclear site hit

It could be a nuclear site and not nuclear things were affected.

Anyway, likely it's not.

It would be foolish for Israel keep dangerous material in a place that it's not used and that every enemy know his location.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

I don’t know what was hit but I’m percent what was targeted at least

IDF says it struck ‘strategic’ nuclear weapons development site at university in Tehran

* * *

www.timesofisrael.com

So I guess schools are fair game if it was so strategic why didn’t they bomb it early on you would think Iranians would have moved anything “strategic” off site

look, missiles are penetrating, thats for everybody to see and is undeniable

of course, these missiles are engineering marvel

but, I cannot ignore, these hits have almost zero military significance

unless, there are strikes on military sites as well, footage of which may not be available, it is hard to conclude, about the effectiveness of these strikes

IR has not destroyed stock exchanges, banks, AI data centres etc etc

life goes on, in there part of the woods, quite unlike Tehran!

sorry, wont convince me, about the deterrence effect of these strikes!

(but I could be wrong, as all the footage is not available nor Im military expert)

 

[Cash gk]

That confirms it's not a nuclear site.

In case of nuclear site hit. Everyone would have been evacuated. Not filming like this

We would have seen camera scattering noise in case of nuclear fallout.

So it wasnt a nuclear site hit

Yeah, it is possible it can be a warning before possible worse outcome

 

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[BHAN85]

Betting the Israelis are going to ask for a ceasefire sooner than later I think Irans response will be oh so you guys can come back in 6 month to destroy our country again naaaa our country is messed up thanks to you guys were going to end it on our terms not yours anymore

Why they would ask anything?

I bet the 20 injured in Dimona and his relatives would wish a ceasefire, but they can't ask a damn thing.

The people who could ask, Israeli rulers like Bibi, they are perfectly fine with the war.

They are unaffected, and Bibi is not called to testify to judges for corruption probes anymore.

The rest of Israeli elite who get USA money for these wars, it's perfectly happy too!

Iran can't target Israeli high ranking officials, so Israeli elite is perfectly fine with the war.

 

[Shags101]

look, missiles are penetrating, thats for everybody to see and is undeniable

of course, these missiles are engineering marvel

but, I cannot ignore, these hits have almost zero military significance

unless, there are strikes on military sites as well, footage of which may not be available, it is hard to conclude, about the effectiveness of these strikes

IR has not destroyed stock exchanges, banks, AI data centres etc etc

life goes on, in there part of the woods, quite unlike Tehran!

sorry, wont convince me, about the deterrence effect of these strikes!

(but I could be wrong, as all the footage is not available nor Im military expert)

Well many direct hits on Arab and American military sites isn’t zero militarily insignificant yeah we all agree unless you see it,no we don’t know what they hit when those missiles have and yes have not saying hundreds or whatever but yes I can at least believe a number of Israeli military sites have been hit but we won’t find out for months and months longer before we get a hint at what or if anything was destroyed.

 

[Cash gk]

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