Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

[RescueRanger]

NEPRA has issued an emergency "Pass-Through" authorization tonight, allowing KE to burn HSD (at an estimated cost of PKR 45-50 per unit) to prevent a total "Dark-Out" during the Red Alert transition.

National Grid Infeed: KE is currently drawing approximately 2,100MW from the National Grid (NTDC).
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• SSGC Gas Suspension: In line with the 12:00 AM mandate, the SSGC has confirmed the suspension of gas supply across domestic and non-essential commercial sectors. This is a "planned" drop to maintain a healthy line-pack for the morning, but it effectively empties the urban pipes, achieving the Red Alert "Safing".
• K-Electric Stability: Telemetry from the Bin Qasim Power Station (BQPS-I) shows that Units 1 and 2 are successfully holding the base load at 49.95 Hz. There was a minor "flicker" at 12:02 AM as the last gas-fired turbines at BQPS-III throttled down, but the oil-fired "Bridge" caught the load without a city-wide trip.

 

[Oscar]

Sure...holy family might be a stretch, but the house of Saud isn't a God appointed family to safeguard Harmain Sharif, and anyone attacking Saudis and their defence shouldn't be framed through a religious lens at all, especially in the current context. This is a dangerous road. Once you go a bit deeper into the historical context with the Kingdom of Hejaz and everything, you'd realize those people have more in common with Yemenis than the Sauds.

You made a defence pact for geopolitical reasons, sure, admit it. You pointed towards apt reasons (mainly ATM), but the messaging needs to be a bit smarter here. There is no danger to Makkah or Madina, it's a nation state fight. Stop creating another religious cause to rally behind, we know how the last one turned out.

There is no disagreement there but I don't even know where the religious angle came about other than a particular sect in Pakistan and supporters of a political party who at this stage have no other action other than "criticism for the sake of criticism"?

The messaging cannot be smarter because at the end if you mention to the wider audience the geopolitical constraints and economic situation which is a product of successively flawed governments and experiments by the establishment then you might as well reveal that your nuclear program, F-16s , military hardware, rocketry etc. all have some aspect of financing and that part of these security guarantees was you promising to delivery which you did not deliver during the Yemen conflict with frankly all of these political players being so called "contentious objectors" even when many of them were part of the tacit promises made to their property investment locations overseas.

I also find it laughable that many of these revolutionary political view holders who seem to be from educated backgrounds forget that regardless of their so called principles they seem to forget their supposed understand of the world to somehow propose that all past agreements made by their fathers and grandfathers should both be nullified but they should be given preferential treatment by these benefactors.

It's like saying " I no longer recognize the loans given to us by the bank to my parents but the bank should invite us on the basis of our principles to the next job fair".

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

bro with all due respect, alienating yet another neighbour for the sake of zionists hegemonic ambitions is not in our best interest.

Iran has stood against Pakistan in many critical issues historically and sided with India, despite this Pakistan retains an extremely neutral stance towards it despite being a very close ally of the Saudis.

If anything, you are asking the wrong country to not alienate the other.

 

[RescueRanger]

Iran has stood against Pakistan in many critical issues historically and sided with India, despite this Pakistan retains an extremely neutral stance towards it despite being a very close ally of the Saudis.

If anything, you are asking the wrong country to not alienate the other.

I think he is suffering from selective amnesia. I like how he believes Pakistan alienated Afghanistan. I am willing to bet a horse, this young man has never steeped foot inside Afghanistan or spoken to an actual Afghan, never mind experienced the negative impact those leeches have had on Pakistan since 1986.

And we all know what happened to Pakistan during the proxy wars of the 90's. The less we say about that, the better. But somehow it is Pakistan that is the "Big Bad" in these youngsters eyes.

Disconnected from reality.

Meanwhile in Pakistan:

 

[Ali_Baba]

Did the KofSA know about the incoming war with Iran?

I do think Saudi did know and I think MBS is personally part of the conspiracy of war in its creation against Iran.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

I think he is suffering from selective amnesia. I like how he believes Pakistan alienated Afghanistan. I am willing to bet a horse, this young man has never steeped foot inside Afghanistan or spoken to an actual Afghan, never mind experienced the negative impact those leeches have had on Pakistan since 1986.

And we all know what happened to Pakistan during the proxy wars of the 90's. The less we say about that, the better. But somehow it is Pakistan that is the "Big Bad" in these youngsters eyes.

Disconnected from reality.

Meanwhile in Pakistan:
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The history with Afghanistan is well known for those who want to learn. Anyone peddling a narrative that Pakistan is to blame ought to not be taken seriously on anything at all, if you can't get basic things right, everything else they claim is worthless.

Quite frankly we've moved on from this discussion now, those who struggle to follow can continue having emotional outbursts like a little girl.

 

[Watandar]

There is no disagreement there but I don't even know where the religious angle came about other than a particular sect in Pakistan and supporters of a political party who at this stage have no other action other than "criticism for the sake of criticism"?

The messaging cannot be smarter because at the end if you mention to the wider audience the geopolitical constraints and economic situation which is a product of successively flawed governments and experiments by the establishment then you might as well reveal that your nuclear program, F-16s , military hardware, rocketry etc. all have some aspect of financing and that part of these security guarantees was you promising to delivery which you did not deliver during the Yemen conflict with frankly all of these political players being so called "contentious objectors" even when many of them were part of the tacit promises made to their property investment locations overseas.

I also find it laughable that many of these revolutionary political view holders who seem to be from educated backgrounds forget that regardless of their so called principles they seem to forget their supposed understand of the world to somehow propose that all past agreements made by their fathers and grandfathers should both be nullified but they should be given preferential treatment by these benefactors.

It's like saying " I no longer recognize the loans given to us by the bank to my parents but the bank should invite us on the basis of our principles to the next job fair".

The World bank and IMF loans are all in writing, so we know of its existence and obligation. Same with the aid Pakistan got, whether CSF or USAID or European aid. Where is the documentation of this Saudi financing and these security agreements which nobody has seen to this date ?

Deals reached between army chiefs and Saudi kings behind closed doors are dubious arrangements. How do I know such arrangements even happened in the first place and who is the army or ISI chief to decide these on behalf of all Pakistanis ?

Army and ISI chief may be the de facto power in Pakistan but that is a poor way to run a country and noone is obligated to go along with their unilateral decisions or deals they have with foreign powers.

 

[Oscar]

The World bank and IMF loans are all in writing, so we know of its existence and obligation. Same with the aid Pakistan got, whether CSF or USAID or European aid. Where is the documentation of this Saudi financing and these security agreements which nobody has seen to this date ?

Deals reached between army chiefs and Saudi kings behind closed doors are dubious arrangements. How do I know such arrangements even happened in the first place and who is the army or ISI chief to decide these on behalf of all Pakistanis ?

Army and ISI chief may be the de facto power in Pakistan but that is a poor way to run a country and noone is obligated to go along with their unilateral decisions.

If you are not obligated to go along with their decisions, that is your right, but then you also cannot pretend Pakistan can simply detach itself from the security and financial cover those arrangements have often provided. Various local and foreign journalists have documented these exchanges over the years, and not every strategic understanding is going to exist in the form of a publicly released IMF-style agreement. States do not publish everything related to security, deterrence, backchannel financing, or regional commitments, just as there is no public record for the exact number of Pakistan’s warheads, deployment posture, or other sensitive assets.

The naive part of your argument is that it keeps shifting the goalposts: when something fits your politics, indirect reporting, patterns of state behavior, and elite consensus are treated as enough; when it does not, suddenly only a signed public document counts. That is not principled skepticism, it is selective skepticism. And that is exactly how people fall into the same narrative loop being discussed in the other thread, where disbelief is reserved only for facts that are politically inconvenient, while everything else gets accepted at face value.

 

[RescueRanger]

The World bank and IMF loans are all in writing, so we know of its existence and obligation.

Correct

Same with the aid Pakistan got, whether CSF or USAID

USAID had some 30 projects in Pakistan, totaling to over $8 million which ceased to operate this year once funding was cancelled by the Trump admin - so this is a NON ISSUE.

Where is the documentation of this Saudi financing and these security agreements which nobody has seen to this date ?

KSA extends term for USD 3.0 billion deposit placed with Pakistan

https://www.sbp.org.pk/press/2025/Pr-04-Dec-2025.pdf

Saudi Arabia Extends $6B Economic Support to Pakistan

Saudi Arabia Extends $6B Economic Support to Pakistan - The Daily CPEC

Saudi Arabia has announced a $1 billion oil financing facility for Pakistan for FY2025–26. It will also roll over $5 billion in existing deposits, the Ministry of Finance confirmed. This new oil facility will help Pakistan cover energy import needs and ease pressure on foreign reserves...

thedailycpec.com

Saudi Arabia to set up $10 billion oil refinery in Pakistan

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/asia-pacific/saudi-arabia-to-set-up-10-billion-oil-refinery-in-pakistan-idUSKCN1P701W/

$5bn deposit for 10 years, $5bn oil facility

Saudi Arabia requested for $5bn deposit for 10 years, $5bn oil facility

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has made eight requests to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia under long-term economic cooperation, including conversion of short-term existing deposits of $5 billion into a long-term...

www.thenews.pk

$6.168 Billion (2025-26): According to the State Bank of Pakistan, between July 2025 and February 2026, Saudi Arabia was the single largest source of remittances, sending $6.168 billion.

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We have 2,600+ Military Personnel presently stationed in KSA

We have trained over 10,000 Saudi Soliders inside Pak

10,000 Saudi soldiers being trained in Pakistan

Pakistan on Monday revealed it is training some 10,000 Saudi soldiers, injecting credence to the reports about ever-increasing security cooperation between Riyadh and Islamabad in recent months. De…

www.middleeastmonitor.com

Pakistan is seen to profit for increased arms sales to KSA:

Pakistan's arms deals position it squarely within growing Saudi-UAE rift

Pakistan's battle-tested fighter jet has spurred increased demand, and purchases come without the political strings of western suppliers

www.middleeasteye.net

Deals reached between army chiefs and Saudi kings behind closed doors are dubious arrangements.

Army Chief or not, your PM has been there too and your President has hosted said king too.

How do I know such arrangements even happened in the first

You go on google and you search

Army and ISI chief may be the de facto power in Pakistan but that is a poor way to run a country

Come here and fix it then.

 

[PakAl]

we will be dragged into this mess wont we

i just hope we just defend and not attack .

But if we defend Saudis from missile attacks meanwhile Usa uses Saudi airspace and bases. This will lead to war with Iran. Its a trap. Pakistan must request Saudis to kick Usa forces out or face the consequences (obviously will never happen).

 

[RescueRanger]

But if we defend Saudis from missile attacks meanwhile Usa uses Saudi airspace and bases.

We have no control over this

This will lead to war with Iran. Its a trap.

When is war not a trap

Pakistan must request Saudis to kick Usa forces out or face the consequences (obviously will never happen).

You already know the answer.

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[PakAl]

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I am good judge of character, you are a wrong number. Please take up your complaint about my moderation in GHQ.

Now get back to topic.

This is all propaganda by a certain political party and their Youtube journalists who left Pakistan. They normally blow everything out of proportion to promote hatred against institutions.

 

[Watandar]

If you are not obligated to go along with their decisions, that is your right, but then you also cannot pretend Pakistan can simply detach itself from the security and financial cover those arrangements have often provided. Various local and foreign journalists have documented these exchanges over the years, and not every strategic understanding is going to exist in the form of a publicly released IMF-style agreement. States do not publish everything related to security, deterrence, backchannel financing, or regional commitments, just as there is no public record for the exact number of Pakistan’s warheads, deployment posture, or other sensitive assets.

The naive part of your argument is that it keeps shifting the goalposts: when something fits your politics, indirect reporting, patterns of state behavior, and elite consensus are treated as enough; when it does not, suddenly only a signed public document counts. That is not principled skepticism, it is selective skepticism. And that is exactly how people fall into the same narrative loop being discussed in the other thread, where disbelief is reserved only for facts that are politically inconvenient, while everything else gets accepted at face value.

Perhaps the financial and security cover these off the books agreements with Saudis and Emiratis in the past only enabled bad behavior in the Pakistani leadership , keeping the state weak and postponing the necessary reforms needed by the country to stand on its own feet.

We are now being informed, nay, we are now being spoken down to by this same leadership that we must maintain access to the remittances, deferred oil payments and cash bailouts the GCC provides, else the economy will go kaput. Therefore we must go defend these Saudis and GCC, whatever that means.

The incompetent and half-assed way the country has been run is now being leveraged to push the same country into a conflict that its war-weary public does not want, based on "strategic understandings and agreements" which noone has ever seen or voted on.

The country is an autocracy, and hence the elites will do whatever they want and the public will just eat the cost. But we should at least be allowed to ask questions and point out flawed approaches without being slandered.

 

[PakAl]

This topic is not about Iran or the UAE or Jordan or other GCC countries you have mentioned. I am asking one simple question, will KSA help Pakistan (militarily, financially and morally) in its highly likely future war with India as per this agreement? If yes, we should fully support KSA.

By the way, can anyone upload the draft of this agreement?

Answer for military is a big fat NO, financially they always gave something but they also support India too with investments, morally yes but it will be nothing like aggressive support like Nato states do. As some members are saying we are on our own. This is why its best to stay out of this war.

 

[Saifullah]

But if we defend Saudis from missile attacks meanwhile Usa uses Saudi airspace and bases. This will lead to war with Iran. Its a trap. Pakistan must request Saudis to kick Usa forces out or face the consequences (obviously will never happen).

If Pakistan has agreements with Saudi, it must honour them. We are a reliable ally not an untrustworthy one. Iran should focus its attacks on israel.
India has been using Iran against Pakistan for decades. Khulbushan entered Pakistan from Iran. Pakistan didn’t go to war with Iran over its strategic support to India.
Iran supported the American invasion and occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.
Iran had secret contact with israel for decades.

Everything isn’t black and white as it seems. Yes Zionist regime is against all Muslims, but what benefit does harming GCC economy bring? Even though GCC are allied with USA, you can’t deny the support they’ve provided for millions of Muslims around the world the world and Muslim countries. The GCC have actually shown immense restraint so far in the face of Iranian aggression.

As far as Pakistan is concerned, we should follow our interests and what benefits us. A Zionist Iran does not benefit us but Iran destroying GCC economy doesn’t benefit Pakistan either. IF Pakistan is forced to fight it should fight with its full capability. The regime in Iran should understand their current actions just turn the whole region against them and make it lose any sympathy it gained.