Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Cash gk said:
THIS WEAPON JUST CHANGED WARFARE FOREVER

While everyone watched the airstrikes, 20+ Iranian submarines silently slipped into the Persian Gulf.

It's a submarine. A literal submarine that can sink a Ford-class carrier and vanish without a trace.

Cost to build a Ghadir mini-sub: $20,000,000
Cost of a US Ford-class carrier: $13,000,000,000

Twenty million dollars.

→ It's 29 meters long and 120 tons — small enough to hide in 50-meter-deep water where sonar is useless
→ It runs diesel-electric on battery — near-silent, no acoustic signature to track
→ The Persian Gulf averages 50m deep — sound bounces off the floor and surface, making detection nearly impossible
→ It fires the Hoot torpedo at 220 mph using supercavitating technology — no defense system can intercept it
→ Pete Hegseth said "their submarines — all 11 — are gone." He wasn't counting the 20+ Ghadir subs already deployed
→ USS Churchill picked up a probable Ghadir contact on March 9th. They still haven't found it.

Trump saw these numbers. Trump's generals saw these numbers. And Trump declared the war over.

Because the Persian Gulf didn't belong to the US Navy anymore. The Ghadir subs made it a kill zone. Every carrier group became a sitting target. Trump had no choice but to quit — continuing meant risking a $13 billion carrier and 5,000 sailors to a $20 million submarine he couldn't even find.

This is why the US Navy's anti-submarine arsenal doesn't matter anymore.

A P-8 Poseidon costs $200 million to operate. A sonobuoy field costs millions more.
You're spending $500 million+ to hunt a $20 million submarine.

That math is unsustainable. You can't bankrupt them faster than they can build.

But a Ghadir? $20 million. Near-silent. Undetectable in shallow water. Armed with an unstoppable torpedo.

The US Navy spent decades building carrier strike groups designed to project overwhelming force through sheer firepower. Park a $13 billion carrier, hope nothing gets through.

That strategy just DIED.

When a submarine costs $20 million and a carrier costs $13 billion, it doesn't matter how many F/A-18s are on deck. One torpedo ends it all.

This isn't just a submarine. It's the reason Trump quit.
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Not only the submarines but there is also submersible boats. Surface fleets are open targets when enemy has air superiority but these submersible boats-mini subs should be produced in high numbers. North Korea for example has a specialised submersible boat fleet.

Semi-submersible naval vessel - Wikipedia

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The downside is these are small size platforms that can protect your coasts and surroundings at short ranges but cannot reach longer ranges.

When enemy ships are 1000+kms away launching cruise missiles at you you need to come up with solutions to fix that problem with available platforms. Asking yourself the question how can these platforms be refuelled at sea and brainstorming about it until you find some suitable solutions. One thing that comes to my mind is one sub platform can carry a submersible fuel tank and install it somewhere under sea in a semi-fixed position. This fuel tank is much smaller than a submarine and has no motor staying several meters below water level with its ballast tanks.

Another problem is how can this fuel tank be detected by your own submarines. Fuel tank can have a towed radio trx on surface that can transmit when an encrypted signal is recieved. It should be a brief short time signal so submarine or submersible boat can detect this signal that contins the position information(coming from submersible fuel tanks own gyros) and fuel tank can be located at sea. Another problem is refuelling can mostly be made only on surface undersea refueling is very difficult. During that time the platform would be visible from above flying drones or aircraft.
 
TallarnDesertRaider said:
It's actually a pretty big concern. I know AWS has recommended or mandated complete backups of data going forwards outside of any regions in the area. AI and Cloud services in general were pretty big bets as part of what the PGCC was going for - off the top of my head, UAE had a few 200-400 MW centers running or scheduled to come up to run by 2025 (which had their own wide array of problems, not the least of which is cooling and power consumption, but at the time they could eat those costs).

Cutting cables can result in a lot added latency, service disruptions, potential data loss. It's more of a future issue though - sure, you can route connection pools through different routes and regions, but will anyone want to invest in data centers or infrastructure in that region going forwards? Unless you have a complete undersea sensor network and naval assets on standby any state or private actor can hire a captain and get either human or robot drones to go and mess up or blow up wire bundles underneath the sea. Same basic principle as the Ukrainian attack on Nordstream 1/2. And that's a lot of sea to cover...
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I agree with you. Let me add one more sentence for people who may not understand what we’re talking about.

If someone cuts those fiber-optic cables, the world will go backward like 100 years.
Banking, security, and everything that keeps our cities running will be ruined.
Oil prices could go up to $200 a barrel.
It would be a disaster. Cutting those cables would be like throwing 100 hydrogen bombs at the world economy.
A scenario where cutting critical undersea fiber cables causes a digital dark age banking, security, and infrastructure grind to a halt, and the economy tanks. I think it will catastrophic shock, not just a slowdown.
 
Cash gk said:
I agree with you. Let me add one more sentence for people who may not understand what we’re talking about.

If someone cuts those fiber-optic cables, the world will go backward like 100 years.
Banking, security, and everything that keeps our cities running will be ruined.
Oil prices could go up to $200 a barrel.
It would be a disaster. Cutting those cables would be like throwing 100 hydrogen bombs at the world economy.
A scenario where cutting critical undersea fiber cables causes a digital dark age banking, security, and infrastructure grind to a halt, and the economy tanks. I think it will catastrophic shock, not just a slowdown.
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I think it's more regional, but if Iran decides to go after all the datacenters around in conjunction with eliminating connective infrastructure, yeah. It's going to be a huge shock globally. Things in regions elsewhere will still be able to work, probably, but you're talking about affecting banking, company services, government sites, etc. What happens when you just shift all that load to other locations? Uhhh....I mean, at the very least, massive latency increases, but not sure any DR plans company cybersec departments make include 'making this region we use go completely dark'...
 
Bratva said:
Once again, dont speak on Pakistan behalf. Pakistan will do what is in its interestes. Iran is hurting Pakistan interests by hurting GCC who is our economic lifeline. Stop looking through iranian lens for once and feel the pain of Pakistani right now what they facing and what they gonna face. This goes to all the Irani sympathizers in Thread who arent living in Pakistan and arent facing the reprecussions.We have a defence pact with Saudi. That'll be honored. Pakistan wont jump in If Iran wont touch Saudi Infra. As simple as that. No emotional rehtoric, No cheerleading. Simple, straight hard facts.
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I have to disagree.

Pakistan won't get involved and the 'defence pact' simply does not apply as KSA is an active participant by allowing use of its territory to attack Iran.

If KSA was totally neutral then we may have a discussion whether Pakistan may get involved in some way to assist Saudi.

I have been very careful with my words here to show respect that this is a Pakistani forum.
 
Bratva said:
Like I asked in my post. Do you know what is happening in Pakistan right now w.r.t commodities, fuel, medicines and electricity infra ? And what'll be the situation in next 2 weeks ?
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That situation is not exclusive to Pakistan. The entire world is feeling the heat because of this war. But none wants to enter it because it’s precisely what US & Israel wants.
 
UKBengali said:
I have to disagree.

Pakistan won't get involved and the 'defence pact' simply does not apply as KSA is an active participant by allowing use of its territory to attack Iran.

If KSA was totally neutral then we may have a discussion whether Pakistan may get involved in some way to assist Saudi.

I have been very careful with my words here to show respect that this is a Pakistani forum.
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Respected Sir. When nation interets and economic lifeline is threatned. A nation do what it feels best for its interests, not what is moral or is righteous. Iran is doing whats its in interest too
 
PAKISTANFOREVER said:
After all of this is over will Iran go for nukes and become a nuclear weapons state?
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Depends on how all this ends. Can't really speculate on that without knowing what any potential peace agreements would look like...all we can say is that generally speaking, nuclear weapons have been proven to be the most consistent general purpose deterrent, but even then, look at NK. They're sanctioned to hell and back. Granted no one's trying to invade them, but they have a massive benefactor in China and Russia right next to them and no theological split/israel next to them that they're in conflict with. Russia could be another good example, currently embroiled in a slogfest in Ukraine, a country completely and utterly propped up by the West and NATO, despite having nuclear weapons, though they appear to be holding steady for now.

I dunno. It's a decision that the authorities that come out of it will have to weigh the risks/benefits of. IMO it's not a binary answer.
 
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