PTI freedom movement against Judiciary and Establishment: News, Discussion & Updates

[313Ghazi]

A civil-military fusion semi-authoritarian set up would work the best in Pakistan with popular support. That is what even PTI was.

The regional security paired with the very weak civilian political culture and institutions means its the most effective system until society slowly evolves

I held the same belief for over 20 years. I have come to the conclusion that I was wrong.

It was wrong when it supported my political choices (PML-Q and PTI), and it was wrong when it didn't.

Why?

1. The military has no skills that help in governance. It only appears disciplined as an institution because everyone involved is required to be that way. It can't be copy pasted. We have tried multiple times at national level, even within institutions, dropping in Generals, if anything they hinder.

2. It prevents the evolution of the democratic process. As literacy rises, as the middle class rises, as political awareness increases, people will look to hold the people they vote for accountable. People already are. Third options are emerging and people are choosing them. Like it or not PTI was an example of that. The establishment might have swung a few seats or twisted a few independents arms, but the vast majority of the votes won were legitimately won. I firmly believe over a term or 2 terms, the same voters would have chosen to support or remove them. This is a process that takes decades of political evolution and in Pakistan it's constantly interupted and interfered with.

3. We are a multi ethnic, multi religious society, our nation is not a single homogenous block. We need the opportunity to have representation to help with stability. Interference with that choice is seen as opression.

 

[313Ghazi]

Nice off topic whataboutery, but where is this widespread public support and protests to get IK released as PTI keeps promising and failing every time?

Obviously, PTI support has never been shown to be actually what is claimed by the cult of IK. The title of this thread seems to be another dud, too.

1. Don't arrest/beat/shoot peaceful protestors
2. Don't lock up their political workers and representatives.

Then you might actually see protests.

C'mon, a mature person like yourself shouldn't be overlooking this, even if you're engaging with someone who has chosen to take an immature approach to their arguement.

 

[Aggregate]

1. Don't arrest/beat/shoot peaceful protestors
2. Don't lock up their political workers and representatives.

Then you might actually see protests.

C'mon, a mature person like yourself shouldn't be overlooking this, even if you're engaging with someone who has chosen to take an immature approach to their arguement.

I have answers for both of your questions:

• TLP protests
• Death sentences on Fake Narcotics cases

And these are mild examples .. and do not even cover a fraction of all the BS that happened in that Era while PTI mocked others under theory of "Same Page" ...

If only PTI crowd did not have a total selective amnesia about the 2018-2022 Era, we would not all have to repeat this all ... and yes .. then will come the usual phrase of "two wrongs do not make a right", but if you say so, then you are also admitting to it all.

Thank you

 

[VCheng]

1. Don't arrest/beat/shoot peaceful protestors
2. Don't lock up their political workers and representatives.

1. Don't block public roadways and cause illegal obstructions.
2. Engage in political activities according to the laws that apply to all parties.

Then there is no problem.

 

[flyingorca]

amazing geopolitics by khaki lords vowing down to genocidal pedophile maniacs nominating them for nobel price!! Pakistanisbare undignified piece of garbage who no doubt will sell their mothers for money specially the khaki breed!!

learn from Iran learn about self respect and dignity concept alien to khaki clan!

Lol imran Khan was married to a Jewish girl with pro Israel family.

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He used his pro Zionists connections to get whatever fundings he needed for whatever projects.

This is the problem with PTI, they are brainwashed to believe what ever they do is halal and whatever someone else does it its haram.

Dont forget it was PTI fanboys and gals who were literally praying for Trump to win elections in hopes of him rescuing Imran Khan.
And after he won, PTI fanboys were literally associating Trump win with Devine intervention.
So cut the crap of labeling anyone with tags who slightly disagree with your party.

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[newb3e]

Lol imran Khan was married to a Jewish girl with pro Israel family.

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He used his pro Zionists connections to get whatever fundings he needed for whatever projects.

This is the problem with PTI, they are brainwashed to believe what ever they do is halal and whatever someone else does it its haram.

Dont forget it was PTI fanboys and gals who were literally praying for Trump to win elections in hopes of him rescuing Imran Khan.
And after he won, PTI fanboys were literally associating Trump win with Devine guidance.
So cut the crap of labeling anyone with tags who slightly disagree with your party.

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lmao

say the fan girl of jewish puppy dog in uniform!!

pedos paisa day ga khaki turds will sell their kids for dollar!

 

[flyingorca]

lmao

say the fan girl of jewish puppy dog in uniform!!

pedos paisa day ga khaki turds will sell their kids for dollar!

Hahaha, dont cry man.

 

[313Ghazi]

mature are you kidding me!!

he a fan girl of khaki lord who nominated a pedo!

TBF a lot of the time i find he is.

Everyone has their weak points i suppose.

 

[313Ghazi]

No peaceful protests for those who want to implement dajjali system.

lol - the current regime has tried bending over backwards to normalise with Israel. Could anything be more Dajjalic?

 

[313Ghazi]

guys lets agree to disagree in politer way

Reminder to the group...

You lads carry on like this and we'll be discussing PTI on reddit...lol

 

[313Ghazi]

they can shit on IK all day and when people retaliate tht talk about manners!!

to be fair, i reported a load of comments. Like that personal attack on you for example.

 

[Musings]

Come on guys. Bringing someones mother into this is too much..............

 

[flyingorca]

lol - the current regime has tried bending over backwards to normalise with Israel. Could anything be more Dajjalic?

Source? Adil Raja and Imran Riaz Khan thr biggest pathological liars.

 

[flyingorca]

A sincere question to PTI fanboys and gals, sach batana.... did you guys not pray for daddy Trump to win elections?

 

[Respect4Respect]

Imran Khan has the most impractical policies that will result in self distruction of Pakistan. Its all nice to say I want to do this and that or I wish this and that is a better option without understanding Pakistan's ground realities.
Even I wish that Pakista. Becomes 50 trillion dollars economy does that mean I am a better economist?
He has repeatedly stated in the past that Pakistan should not have participated in WOT without addressing consequences. In 2000s the entire world was on US side because of the narritive they were able to build and even though joining WOT was bad but not going along with this drama would have been even worst of the worst.
Every time you question PTI with such topics its always them diverting from the topic into something else. No clear answer.
Trust me I have bunch of more scenario based questions for PTI that will entangle them in their own self contradictory web of lies.

You have to understand why dictatorships are dangerous first. No matter how "impractical" or bad IK’s policies were according to you, they still can’t be worse than a single dictator deciding the fate of 25 crore people. Civilian leaders have to go through bureaucracy, the cabinet, the foreign ministry and ultimately face the public in elections. A dictator on the other hand can change the country’s direction after a single call from a low level american official just to secure an extension or privileges. A best example is when Nawaz Sharif went to parliament to stop Pakistan from joining the Saudi attack on Yemen. If there had been a dictatorship at that time then a single phone call would have been enough to push Pakistan into that war.

I personally want Pakistan to be a strong country, not just financially or militarily but morally as well. I felt second hand embarrassment when Shahid Khaqan had to remove his clothes for checking at an American airport, i felt the same when Shehbaz Sharif praised Trump as a mirasi and when the Pakistani COAS offered minerals to Trump like a personal naukar.

I was planning to write a much longer post but I don’t have the time right now. Maybe i will continue in my next reply. But at the end of the day no matter how flawed civilian leaders are they can’t be worse than dictators. People who can break their own oath can do anything for power and privileges.