PTI freedom movement against Judiciary and Establishment: News, Discussion & Updates

[flyingorca]

The Constitution of Pakistan. Read up on it sometime.

Lol, then why has Imrand dajjal given riyasat madina churan to his blind followers?

 

[313Ghazi]

The only group of Pakistanis to ever pray to Allah for a US president to win an election were Imranis.
Had Trump actually bailed out Imran Im pretty sure PTI would have declared Trump as their Abu jaan.

Pakistanis not bssed in the US have historically preferred Republicans to Democrats. Theyve always been more reasonable to Pakistan than the democrats. This is not new. Its a historical trend.

19, 20 ka farq hai.

 

[Watandar]

Lol, then why has Imrand dajjal given riyasat madina churan to his blind followers?

You are confusing politics with the Constitution. Maybe you don't know the difference.

 

[hussain0216]

Time to ban PTI

It's supporters are unhinged and now spreading propaganda against Pakistan

PTI has become totally and utterly unelectable and dangerous for Pakistan,
They are same as the Iranian diaspora with a Messiah complex about Pahlavi/Imran

Their is a nexus of afghanis/PTM/BLA/PTI and liberals all spreading Afghan and Indian propaganda and it is vital Pakistan crushes these enemies

 

[VCheng]

Time to ban PTI

It's supporters are unhinged and now spreading propaganda against Pakistan

PTI has become totally and utterly unelectable and dangerous for Pakistan,
They are same as the Iranian diaspora with a Messiah complex about Pahlavi/Imran

Their is a nexus of afghanis/PTM/BLA/PTI and liberals all spreading Afghan and Indian propaganda and it is vital Pakistan crushes these enemies

Why ban something that is politically dead anyway?

 

[Jango]

Their is a nexus of afghanis/PTM/BLA/PTI and liberals all spreading Afghan and Indian propaganda and it is vital Pakistan crushes these enemies

You forgot the Jews, the Sentinelese, and the Martians in that nexus my dude.

 

[313Ghazi]

Time to ban PTI

It's supporters are unhinged and now spreading propaganda against Pakistan

PTI has become totally and utterly unelectable and dangerous for Pakistan,
They are same as the Iranian diaspora with a Messiah complex about Pahlavi/Imran

Their is a nexus of afghanis/PTM/BLA/PTI and liberals all spreading Afghan and Indian propaganda and it is vital Pakistan crushes these enemies

Yahoodi saazish + RAW ki saazish = The purest form of Pakistani copium.

 

[hussain0216]

Why ban something that is politically dead anyway?

Sure I can understand that, but I have also seen PTI supporters be willing to disseminate anti-Pakistan propaganda

And be the first to try and degrade Pakistan whatever the forum or the issue


Just today, in the Iran war topic, their were tweets about possible U.S/Iranian negotiations being supported by Pakistan

Something a Pakistani patriot would use as a way to support Pakistan

But what do we have??? We have the PTI cult, first in line to try and target and attack Pakistan on sites like X or Facebook with possibly millions of eyes on the post with their usual Imran obsessed bullshit

Even if PTI is not banned, sedition and other laws need to be implemented and propaganda countered

 

[flyingorca]

You are confusing politics with the Constitution. Maybe you don't know the difference.

So basically Imran khan was using this Riyasat Medina thing for votes and his followers were under the impression that Imran khan would turn Pakistan into a true Islamic nation??
I think his jadoo garni pirni wife was pulling Imran Khan's strings. She wanted him to use Islamic card to draw devoted muslims towards him.

 

[pashtunkoum]

The only group of Pakistanis to ever pray to Allah for a US president to win an election were Imranis.
Had Trump actually bailed out Imran Im pretty sure PTI would have declared Trump as their Abu jaan.

Who was it that said whenever IK fans are confronted they divert and don't respond to the critique?

If you can answer then answer. Otherwise it's just disingenuous tactic everyone can see through.

 

[hussain0216]

You forgot the Jews, the Sentinelese, and the Martians in that nexus my dude.

Maybe we can add the ANP

Another party that's more Afghan then Pakistani whose loyalty lies across the border

 

[Watandar]

So basically Imran khan was using this Riyasat Medina thing for votes and his followers were under the impression that Imran khan would turn Pakistan into a true Islamic nation??
I think his jadoo garni pirni wife was pulling Imran Khan's strings. She wanted him to use Islamic card to draw devoted muslims towards him. View attachment 187947

Thats called politics and as long as it aligns with the Constitution of Pakistan, is not an issue. What is wrong is Grade 22 govt employees seizing power and ruling the country in an unaccountable unconstitutional manner.

 

[VCheng]

Sure I can understand that, but I have also seen PTI supporters be willing to disseminate anti-Pakistan propaganda

And be the first to try and degrade Pakistan whatever the forum or the issue

And they will try to do that, ban or no ban, so why ban at all?

 

[pashtunkoum]

It seems like almost all PTI fans are programmed to say specific things and conveniently avoid sensitive topics. I did mentioned that participating in WOT was a bad thing for Pakistan infact the darkest history of Pakistan but I seriously want to know the consequences for not participating in this war from PTI POV. The US gave Pakistan 2 options, You are with us or against us. Imran Khan did say "absolutely not" to hypothetical question about allowing US access to its bases for possible drone strikes but this is after the war. Not the same situation as start of war when we all know who was hell bent to start this war.
Let me be more clear with my scenario, Imran Khan is the PM of Pakistan during 2000s with ultimate power and total control of the military. How is Imran Khan going to respond to this ultimatum "you are with us or against us".
And we all know how crap PPP PMLN are so there is no need to waste time on this.
Focus on this topic that I have raised please.

Buddy it sounds programmed to you because you beat the same drum opposition has been beating for 3 decades now. You're going to hear the same replies.

The consequences of "with us" or "against us" being perceived as some binary choice is not true. It never is true. That's not how geopolitics works. Musharraf was in a weak position because oh his control and so he bent over.

Now even though I loathe Nawaza and Bhutto family even they would not have bent over so willingly. Giving up all our assets, leverage and security for a few $$$ and a right to keep ruling.

So the answer is this isn't a binary answer. IK would have very likely said we are with you but we have certain red lines that cannot be crossed. We can provide certain intel but we wont send our own people to fight against our own tribes. These nuances matter and can only be realized if you have some self respect. Not if you're saluting your overlord like Shahbaz.

Imran Khan gave fantastic fiery speeches and grandiose promises for the average darna attendee but that was the limit of his ability.

When it came to maneuvering geopolitics at the regional and global level or handling more complex matters, he simply lacked the acumen or pragmatism to manage it effectively. Idealistic delusions do not suffice here.

If his ego wasn't so high he could maybe still have managed it with a competent team in the background but he treated others like tissue paper and believed he knew best, ultimately this was his downfall that left him with no allies or powerful supporters.

He went from a single seat to Pakistans most popular party. Doubt he lacked the acumen to handle complex matters. Ironic some on this forum will call out IK's acumen when Pakistan has been for the most part ruled by Army generals well known for the binary fauji soch.

As for ego I agree with you here to an extent. No one is perfect and his overconfidence has been a double edged sword at times. However, I don't think that's why he has no allies. It's because most Pakistani politicians are rats. If he truly had no allies he would enjoy no support today.

Are you implying that Pakistan hasn't always had a balance? We are China's #1 ally while also managing our relations with the US. This is exactly what balance is.

When it comes to the WoT, it is a bipartisian issue that everyone agrees was dealt with wrong, so it's unfair for PTI to try and monopolise it. Every party has roughly the same stance.

If anything Imran Khan was on record in interviews saying the Taliban is not a threat while it was on a suicide bombing rampage at a time where over thousands of lives had already been lost. This is shameful.

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And with all due to respect I disagree with your last line, you often hear the most coherently put-together policy-based arguments against PTI from their critics, while those who support him often have a childish view of politics and use filthy insults against anyone that doesn't obsesses over him. They are everywhere on social media attacking whoever, resistant to any respectful discussion.

Pakistan has not had a balance at all. After the WOT Musharraf sold out many of Pakistans strategic assets that proved as a buffer on the western and eastern border. An irregular militia that Pakistan had kept for years. There was a time Indian generals would make statements that the real risk of War with Pakistan is the tribals and deep ISI connections who can initiate an insurgency.

Today, because of those terrible policies, the tables have turned and Pakistan is the victim.

There is nothing wrong with IK statement either. The Taliban for all their savagery were never a threat to Pakistan until what 2007? Afghanistans Taliban government was literally Pakistans asset and friendly buffer on the west. It was strategic depth.

This is the problem. People latch onto quotes and then form their whole opinion on the matter. It's how riasat e medina grates so many people

 

[pashtunkoum]

Time to ban PTI

It's supporters are unhinged and now spreading propaganda against Pakistan

PTI has become totally and utterly unelectable and dangerous for Pakistan,
They are same as the Iranian diaspora with a Messiah complex about Pahlavi/Imran

Their is a nexus of afghanis/PTM/BLA/PTI and liberals all spreading Afghan and Indian propaganda and it is vital Pakistan crushes these enemies

See this is the mindset that will never let Pakistan excel. You think PTI is doing damage? Banning parties, voices, supression -- It's what led to Bangladesh.

Has it ever occurred to you maybe these people want betterment of Pakistan and are criticizing the issues that hold it back? Or no you genuinely think a sizable chunk of Pakistan get pleasure in destroying the country?