Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[东风夜放花千树]

Does a 5 day ceasefire make any sense ? and who it benefits?

I think they just want to regroup and equip to backstab Iran again.... There Shouldnt be any ceasefire unless a complete and comprehensive end to war..

Five days later, the first batch of troops and weapons redeployed from other regions by the United States will arrive in the Middle East.

These troops and weapons mainly come from South Korea's air defense systems and Japan's forces.

Trump and the U.S. government have already lost credibility.

 

[Qaraca]

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Israel defacto captured 30% of your country this morning ?

Drum Rolls ... What will Lebanon do ... ?

Expel Iranian Envoy !!

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Iran be like:

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Israel’s justification is Hezbollah. Surely you can do the math.

 

[东风夜放花千树]

They wanna gain simpathy and cover for their war crimes by showing select scenes of "civilian" damage. The censorship is still in effect.

Israel's policy of universal conscription is the core of its national defense strategy, so we believe there are no civilians in Israel.

When Israel kills Palestinians, it defines Palestinians as Hamas. We need to view this according to Israel's understanding: every Israeli is a soldier, and any target can be legitimately attacked as a military target.

 

[brazensword]

I would even argue Iran is giving alot of losses to US in the battle

First the whole IADS in middle east is dusted(radars and air defence of centcom)
Next AFM is reporting there are Atleast 20 us aircraft losses
Next they destroyed the prestige of f35
Next they are destroying every us base in the region
Next reportedly downed 15-20% of MQ9 Fleet


Next exposed US Navy's well incomeptence regarding the maintainence of the carriers(ford will take 14 months to recover)


They're punching way above their weight honestly

They would've steamrolled the Kingdoms in PGCC by destroying their palaces but Iran is only targeting US bases.

 

[Meengla]

What cannot be obtained on the battlefield can never be obtained at the negotiation table.

Your entire post was great, especially this point.
There is a nuance this time though: The global impact of this war on economy is deep and vast and so the pain is felt by too many to ignore. The Strait of Hormuz has thus far proven to be an Economic Nuke in the hands of Iran.

As to the negotiations, no one can trust President Trump, not only given the history but also that he is sending airborne and other units to the conflict. Yet Iran has some leverage to ask for its terms to be looked into and solutions verified before a ceasefire happens. Meanwhile, keep firing at Israel: I hear last night was pretty rough in Israel.

 

[brazensword]

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American A-10s attack on the Popular Mobilization Units headquarters in Mosul, While a 24H ceasefire was decided. Never trust these decievers, Iran should not do that.

There was no ceasefire order.

 

[Aggregate]

Israel’s justification is Hezbollah. Surely you can do the math.

I know the sad math behind it .. and that is the tragedy

If only all of the regional governments had a fraction of the will that Iran is showing, rather than each fearing israel and falling one by one, we would not be seeing the situation in Gaza, Lebanon or anywhere else in the Middle East, at all.

the more it is justified doe to the fear of israel's retaliations, the more it will reach us all and nobody will be spared eventually, no matter how much they try to vouch for israel.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

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Israel defacto captured 30% of your country this morning ?

Drum Rolls ... What will Lebanon do ... ?

Expel Iranian Envoy !!

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Iran be like:

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Meaning Lebanon effectively conceded the territory as well. As I said... Hezbollah is fighting for the freedom of all Lebanese. Should they prevail... they'll remain thankless. Their loss will potentially end the state as an entity... however politically end it effectively.
Lebanon is exhibit A of a collection that lives and shares space but are not a nation!

 

[Meengla]

Israel’s justification is Hezbollah. Surely you can do the math.

Israel has long wanted the fertile, strategic land of Lebanon south of the Litani River. Israel is an expansionist entity and will look for ways to expand, especially into fertile areas as Israel is in a parched region.

 

[Bengal71]

It is what it is; it's only logical that Israel take control and maintain control south of the Litani River. The benefits would outweigh the hue and cry from the global community.

What are the benefits?

 

[东风夜放花千树]

Most recent example, China sold/supplied weapons to Pakistan last year during India/Pakistan war.

We have not provided weapons to any warring countries.

When Pakistan purchased weapons to defend the country, there was no war.

On June 25, 2021, China and Pakistan signed a contract for the J-10C, and the PL-15 is a supporting weapon for the J-10C.

Similarly, Iran's use of satellite systems and the strengthening of bilateral trade cooperation are part of the long-term cooperation framework agreement signed on March 27, 2021.

If a country is being subjected to aggression, and we cancel or suspend the contract, how is that different from the sanctions measures of the United States? This is an irresponsible act. We have always maintained good credit in fulfilling our commitments and signed agreements.

 

[Optical216]

I don't get why trump doesn't quit


How many more lives will your own countrymen take?!
It's obvious Iran is fighting back hard and America still doesn't quit

How desperate is america to continue doing this while it and it's allies are being tanked economically due to Hormuz closure

Why not save the pain and trump gets a deal done I thought he was deal master.. how badly do you want to continue and why?!

 

[Dark Knight]

I don't get why trump doesn't quit


How many more lives will your own countrymen take?!
It's obvious Iran is fighting back hard and America still doesn't quit

How desperate is america to continue doing this while it and it's allies are being tanked economically due to Hormuz closure

Why not save the pain and trump gets a deal done I thought he was deal master.. how badly do you want to continue and why?!

He is so far down the rabbit hole, he probably think's just a little further and success.

As Commander N Chief he is probably over ruling the top brass Military cheif's advice.

It is his way or the highway.

 

[Meengla]

Meaning Lebanon effectively conceded the territory as well. As I said... Hezbollah is fighting for the freedom of all Lebanese. Should they prevail... they'll remain thankless. Their loss will potentially end the state as an entity... however politically end it effectively.
Lebanon is exhibit A of a collection that lives and shares space but are not a nation!

Well said. In contrast, Pakistan is fighting a mighty power like India over a tiny sliver of land 20,000 ft above sea level in Siachen Glacier since 1984. Balls and determination!

Coming back to the topic: Last night (NYC Time), Israel's Haaretz had a story about J.D. Vance, Witcoff and Kurshner meeting Iranian officials in Islamabad as early as this week. Haaretz was quoting Reuters and a Pakistani official; the Pakistani Army Chief is behind this, per Haaretz/Reuters. Hard to believe the story but Vance is against this war and if true then he is there for some good reasons. Add to this, the Pakistani Prime Minister spoke with the Iranian President very recently.

 

[Bengal71]

If a country is being subjected to aggression, and we cancel or suspend the contract, how is that different from the sanctions measures of the United States? This is an irresponsible act. We have always maintained good credit in fulfilling our commitments and signed agreements.

That means China sold weapons during war. Anyway, this is off topic.