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[Respect4Respect]

Prisoner number 804: the plot to erase Imran Khan

It’s one thing to remove a PM from office, as happened to the former cricketer in 2022. But it’s another thing to try to eradicate the most famous person in Pakistan’s history

www.theguardian.com

This was the article @Yousafzai_M posted which was deleted.

I honestly asked a genuine question from another member in the Pakistan–Saudi Arabia thread and a mod deleted my comments and thread banned me. When I confronted him (a bit aggressively ill admit), he said he could tell what my intentions were. Looks like the faujeets got mind reading abilities in their latest software update.

 

[flyingorca]

You have to understand why dictatorships are dangerous first. No matter how "impractical" or bad IK’s policies were according to you, they still can’t be worse than a single dictator deciding the fate of 25 crore people. Civilian leaders have to go through bureaucracy, the cabinet, the foreign ministry and ultimately face the public in elections. A dictator on the other hand can change the country’s direction after a single call from a low level american official just to secure an extension or privileges. A best example is when Nawaz Sharif went to parliament to stop Pakistan from joining the Saudi attack on Yemen. If there had been a dictatorship at that time then a single phone call would have been enough to push Pakistan into that war.

I personally want Pakistan to be a strong country, not just financially or militarily but morally as well. I felt second hand embarrassment when Shahid Khaqan had to remove his clothes for checking at an American airport, i felt the same when Shehbaz Sharif praised Trump as a mirasi and when the Pakistani COAS offered minerals to Trump like a personal naukar.

I was planning to write a much longer post but I don’t have the time right now. Maybe i will continue in my next reply. But at the end of the day no matter how flawed civilian leaders are they can’t be worse than dictators. People who can break their own oath can do anything for power and privileges.

As I was expecting PTI supporters doing what they are good at dodging real questions and beating around the bush.

Did Pakistan go to war with Iran on behalf of Saudi Arabia? No
And how can you tell it was not the Army pulling Sharrif's stringa during 2010s?

Trust me I would not have made that post if my main topic was not to find out PTI POV on consequences for not participating in WOT. do you seriously think America would have backed down from attacking Afghanistan just because Imran Khan said no and everything would be normal?

 

[flyingorca]

I honestly asked a genuine question from another member in the Pakistan–Saudi Arabia thread and a mod deleted my comments and thread banned me. When I confronted him (a bit aggressively ill admit), he said he could tell what my intentions were. Looks like the faujeets got mind reading abilities in their latest software update.

Do you know how many times my anti PTI posts gets deleted? Sometimes they are not even anti PTI. but i dont go around playing the victim card.

 

[313Ghazi]

1. Don't block public roadways and cause illegal obstructions.
2. Engage in political activities according to the laws that apply to all parties.

Then there is no problem.

If you prohibit protests under false security pretences, people have no option other than protesting on roads.

 

[VCheng]

If you prohibit protests under false security pretences, people have no option other than protesting on roads.

Trying to transgress into red areas of the capital is a no-no for any party. Blocking roads as a tantrum is simply not permissible either.

 

[pashtunkoum]

@pashtunkoum This is exactly what I was talking about here in my message above. It's often seen mainly on one side.

Severe mental retardation combined with PoJèèt level filth. I hope Allah heals this creature.

I don’t understand what you’re complaining about. On one hand you and others put Imran Khans foreign policy under a microscopic view to find that one little gotcha to then parade as “all PTI SUPPORTERS are gullible!”

On the other hand we have currently multiple times said Donald Trump should get a nobel peace prize. The countries PM is saluting him like a colonial era chaprasi and we’re to have a serious debate?

Compare his policies to the reality of Pakistan. Unfortunately it’s difficult to shake off slavery mindset from our people. We think Shahbaz saluting trump will make America “like” Pakistan and shower them with gifts to alleviate it from poverty. Slave mindset

 

[Respect4Respect]

As I was expecting PTI supporters doing what they are good at dodging real questions and beating around the bush.

Did Pakistan go to war with Iran on behalf of Saudi Arabia? No
And how can you tell it was not the Army pulling Sharrif's stringa during 2010s?

Trust me I would not have made that post if my main topic was not to find out PTI POV on consequences for not participating in WOT. do you seriously think America would have backed down from attacking Afghanistan just because Imran Khan said no and everything would be normal?

I could just reverse that argument on you and it would fit perfectly. All your arguments revolve around PTI and IK, even though it’s been over three years since the regime change.

Do you want Pakistan to go to war with Iran? Let the Saudis attack or declare war first then we will see what happens. The generals (not the institution) have made these secret pacts to prolong their tenures and will go to any length to keep it that way even if it doesn’t benefit Pakistan’s national interests. But you will have to wait and see what the Saudis do first.

Oh...so you think i ignored your mic drop level question lol? i have been on this forum for over fifteen years and you can’t count how many times i have discussed this topic, so don’t assume its some out of the box question.

First of all you need to get your facts right. How could imran khan or any other political leader have said no to the americans when musharraf the dictator was in charge? Did india face any consequences for staying neutral? Why do you tarnish Pakistan’s image by making it look like it’s owned by the americans and we must follow their orders word by word or we will cease to exist? What if the americans asked you to convert the country to Christianity or Judaism would you do that too? anything can be expected from a nutjob like Trump.
It was their war, not ours, Pakistan went to that war because a dictator wanted to prolong his tenure which resulted in 70,000 to 100,000 civilian casualties and $150 billion economic losses and thats one of the main reasons why your leaders go around the globe with a begging bowl in one hand and saluting trump with the other.

 

[Watandar]

A civil-military fusion semi-authoritarian set up would work the best in Pakistan with popular support. That is what even PTI was.

Civil-military fusion semi-authoritarian blah blah is against the Constitution of Pakistan and it isn't what Quaid-e-Azam or the Pakistan Movement wanted either. The model of dictatorship or hybrid rule has been tried several times in the past and ALL have failed.

Political culture and civilian institutions cannot evolve when they are constantly sabotaged and retarded by army coups. If the army had stayed out of politics after 1971 and just let the country function according to the Constitution, I have no doubts that the country would be in a far far better place today.

 

[flyingorca]

I could just reverse that argument on you and it would fit perfectly. All your arguments revolve around PTI and IK, even though it’s been over three years since the regime change.

Do you want Pakistan to go to war with Iran? Let the Saudis attack or declare war first then we will see what happens. The generals (not the institution) have made these secret pacts to prolong their tenures and will go to any length to keep it that way even if it doesn’t benefit Pakistan’s national interests. But you will have to wait and see what the Saudis do first.

Oh...so you think i ignored your mic drop level question lol? i have been on this forum for over fifteen years and you can’t count how many times i have discussed this topic, so don’t assume its some out of the box question.

First of all you need to get your facts right. How could imran khan or any other political leader have said no to the americans when musharraf the dictator was in charge? Did india face any consequences for staying neutral? Why do you tarnish Pakistan’s image by making it look like it’s owned by the americans and we must follow their orders word by word or we will cease to exist? What if the americans asked you to convert the country to Christianity or Judaism would you do that too? anything can be expected from a nutjob like Trump.
It was their war, not ours, Pakistan went to that war because a dictator wanted to prolong his tenure which resulted in 70,000 to 100,000 civilian casualties and $150 billion economic losses and thats one of the main reasons why your leaders go around the globe with a begging bowl in one hand and saluting trump with the other.

That was cookie worth of a response.
I asked a very simple straightforward question which was "if Imran Khan was the prime minister of Pakistan during 2000s and if he had said No to the Americans what would have been the consequences for Pakistan".
Now when you are done with your mental gymnastics and off topic rant, please respond to my question.

 

[VCheng]

"if Imran Khan was the prime minister of Pakistan during 2000s and if he had said No to the Americans what would have been the consequences for Pakistan"

About as well as what "absolutely not!" achieved, perhaps?

 

[flyingorca]

Civil-military fusion semi-authoritarian blah blah is against the Constitution of Pakistan and it isn't what Quaid-e-Azam or the Pakistan Movement wanted either. The model of dictatorship or hybrid rule has been tried several times in the past and ALL have failed.

Political culture and civilian institutions cannot evolve when they are constantly sabotaged and retarded by army coups. If the army had stayed out of politics after 1971 and just let the country function according to the Constitution, I have no doubts that the country would be in a far far better place today.

In which riyasat madina your dajjali imrand talks about where Muslim generals not part of leadership or decision making of the nation/territor/empire/kingdom? Almost every single Muslim leader was combatant.

 

[Watandar]

In which riyasat madina your dajjali imrand talks about where Muslim generals not part of leadership or decision making of the nation/territor/empire/kingdom? Almost every single Muslim leader was combatant.

The Constitution of Pakistan. Read up on it sometime.

 

[VCheng]

In which riyasat madina your dajjali imrand talks about where Muslim generals not part of leadership or decision making of the nation/territor/empire/kingdom? Almost every single Muslim leader was combatant.

This model works as long as everyone is on the famous "same page" and not otherwise.

 

[313Ghazi]

I have answers for both of your questions:

• TLP protests
• Death sentences on Fake Narcotics cases

And these are mild examples .. and do not even cover a fraction of all the BS that happened in that Era while PTI mocked others under theory of "Same Page" ...

If only PTI crowd did not have a total selective amnesia about the 2018-2022 Era, we would not all have to repeat this all ... and yes .. then will come the usual phrase of "two wrongs do not make a right", but if you say so, then you are also admitting to it all.

Thank you

It was wrong then and it's wrong now. I didn't support the violent crackdown on TLP protests. I even said when PTI protests were being attacked, that it was exactly what they had done to TLP. I don't support TLP or any of their political agends, but state violence against them was wrong.

 

[flyingorca]

I don’t understand what you’re complaining about. On one hand you and others put Imran Khans foreign policy under a microscopic view to find that one little gotcha to then parade as “all PTI SUPPORTERS are gullible!”

On the other hand we have currently multiple times said Donald Trump should get a nobel peace prize. The countries PM is saluting him like a colonial era chaprasi and we’re to have a serious debate?

Compare his policies to the reality of Pakistan. Unfortunately it’s difficult to shake off slavery mindset from our people. We think Shahbaz saluting trump will make America “like” Pakistan and shower them with gifts to alleviate it from poverty. Slave mindset

The only group of Pakistanis to ever pray to Allah for a US president to win an election were Imranis.
Had Trump actually bailed out Imran Im pretty sure PTI would have declared Trump as their Abu jaan.