Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[AZ_HighCountry]

In the public domain. Many of you here read the site as well. Article is well worth the read:

Retired Patriot Battalion Commander On The Challenges Of Defeating Iran's Barrages

David Shank, former commandant of the Army's Air Defense Artillery School, offers a frank assessment of how air defenses are performing against Iran.

www.twz.com

 

[Gryzor]

Yeah, because going the path that Saddam pursued with Kuwait would've ended really brilliantly for Iran.

And Israel has already targeted our Caspian ports numerous times. Russians are useless. You cannot trust commies. Not even once.

Agreed on the first part, Iran will never be in a position to be able to perform a first strike. Coalitions would be built instantly to collectively enact punishment should it be the trigger of hostilities anywhere, against any state actor. There seems to be some tolerance for militias, as Iran has struck PJAK and some Kurdish separatists in the past years without concrete reaction bar public condemnations from the West.

Even though they are not "commies" by any means anymore and now more savagely capitalist and deregulated than any western nation could dream of, I do agree that Russians cannot ever be trusted, would it be in Soviet times or ever since the breakup of the Berlin wall.

Same duplicity, opportunistic and universally unreliable allies or partners. If in doubt ask the Vietnamese in 1975 during Linebaker II where crucial SA-3 were furnished in token quantities that wouldn"t cover even one squadron of attacking B-52s. Or Syrians in 1982 who realized that their export Mig-23s radars covered less distance than IDF F-16s Sparrow missiles Or Armenians more recently during the Karabach conflict. Or Iranians, for the past 47 years. Ok granted some good offers were made by a Ruined post-Soviet Yeltsin Russia, including Mig-31s and Tu-22s that were tragically declined by the then Iranian government fresh out of the Iran-Iraq war, but it was out of desperation in the first place.

 

[hasn2009]

That’s not even close to hypersonic

Is there a verified video of hypersonic missile impact?

 

[ShapurII]

There is no true military in Bahrain, usually they call the Saudi’s when they want to put down revolts.

Remember Bahrain is basically all Shiite and the King is a Sunni Wahhabi. If the roles were reversed the entire Arab world would be screaming for regime change like they did with Assad.

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Yes, but I wasn't worried about the Bahraini Army itself. They have the Saudis and the Americans backing them. Is there any realistic scenario where Iran can invade and hold Bahrain without an air force? It seems absolutely impossible.

Agreed on the first part, Iran will never be in a position to be able to perform a first strike. Coalitions would be built instantly to collectively enact punishment should it be the trigger of hostilities anywhere, against any state actor. There seems to be some tolerance for militias, as Iran has struck PJAK and some Kurdish separatists in the past years without concrete reaction bar public condemnations from the West.

Even though they are not "commies" by any means anymore and now more savagely capitalist and deregulated than any western nation could dream of, I do agree that Russians cannot ever be trusted, would it be in Soviet times or ever since the breakup of the Berlin wall.

Same duplicity, opportunistic and universally unreliable allies or partners. If in doubt ask the Vietnamese in 1975 during Linebaker II where crucial SA-3 were furnished in token quantities that wouldn"t cover even one squadron of attacking B-52s. Or Syrians in 1982 who realized that their export Mig-23s radars covered less distance than IDF F-16s Sparrow missiles Or Armenians more recently during the Karabach conflict. Or Iranians, for the past 47 years. Ok granted some good offers were made by a Ruined post-Soviet Yeltsin Russia, including Mig-31s and Tu-22s that were tragically declined by the then Iranian government fresh out of the Iran-Iraq war, but it was out of desperation in the first place.

Or more recently, Iranians during the 12-day war when we learned that our S-300s were good for nothing. And some called our configuration PMU-3 because it was supposed to the most upgraded export version of S-300 lol

 

[safriz]

There is no true military in Bahrain, usually they call the Saudi’s when they want to put down revolts.

Remember Bahrain is basically all Shiite and the King is a Sunni Wahhabi. If the roles were reversed the entire Arab world would be screaming for regime change like they did with Assad.

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Thats what i am against. Iran destabilizing the region on Sectarian grounds. None of Iran business if Bahrain has a sunni King. Nobody has any problem with Iran Fighting Israel. But under that cover , trying to takeover regional countries is vile.

 

[MS Sandhu]

Former General Mattis calls Trump war goals as delusional

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He is absolutely right.

Trump and Hegseth completely failed to define their war objectives.
They wanted regime change but what was regime change to them?
regime change is either complete power change of iran with some new system or just to replace the top brass of military and political leadership within the existing system.
It looks like they are happy with later. Technically that's still regime change but

 

[ShapurII]

Thats what i am against. Iran destabilizing the region on Sectarian grounds. None of Iran business if Bahrain has a sunni King. Nobody has any problem with Iran Fighting Israel. But under that cover , trying to takeover regional countries is vile.

First of all, not long ago, just half a century ago, Bahrain belonged to Iran before the last Pahlavi King declared its independence.

Secondly, Bahrain is a huge pain in the ass. Look at how active they are against Iran in this war. They have already proposed two UNSC proposals against Iran, one of them got passed. Bahrain has been regularly used by the US to target Iran. They host the US 5th fleet against Iran.

Thirdly, the Emirates is plotting to take over our 3 islands using this war as an opportunity and they haven't been shy to even talk about it puclily. If push comes to shove, Iran will not sit back and allow these opportunist Arabs have wet dreams about our territories.

 

[ninja87]

Israeli-based OSINT reports that around 40,000–60,000 buildings have been damaged.

 

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[MS Sandhu]

It remains to be seen which way this war goes. An Iran standing up like Hezbollah after the Israel-Hezbollah 2006 conflict would be considered a 'victorious' Iran, however bruised.

Technically, It will be take decades to define who actually won it out.
Because War is not ending anytime soon.
Regional dynamics have significantly changed.

 

[Shags101]

Thats what i am against. Iran destabilizing the region on Sectarian grounds. None of Iran business if Bahrain has a sunni King. Nobody has any problem with Iran Fighting Israel. But under that cover , trying to takeover regional countries is vile.

Well not trying to go there but I would think if the majority of Bahraini population is against being ruled by the minority why can’t they show their frustration against a heavy handed ruler anymore than Syrians revolted against the alwaites not trying to detract just a simple observation

 

[Gryzor]

Yes, but I wasn't worried about the Bahraini Army itself. They have the Saudis and the Americans backing them. Is there any realistic scenario where Iran can invade and hold Bahrain without an air force? It seems absolutely impossible.


Or more recently, Iranians during the 12-day war when we learned that our S-300s were good for nothing. And some called our configuration PMU-3 because it was supposed to the most upgraded export version of S-300 lol

Indeed how could I forget that one.... They were supposed to be "VM" variant. Yeah , as virtual as a Virtual Machine, I even made that joke about it back then

Those were the ones extensively involved in training by the IDF over Greece AFAIK, notwithstanding direct intelligence transfer on the systems by the Russians to them "Kazars"... as a rule of thumb, Iran should NEVER acquire or even partner with anything defense-related with Russia, or at least not the electronics. Nothing that can be tampered with or its specs leaked...

And that was me believing the IRGC PR about dozens of Bavar-373 being produced in parallel as early as 2020. One of the first things they should do after this war is to double, triple, quadruple production lines for Sayyad missiles and associated radar apparatus... I truly hope the OPTICS and Shiraz building were indeed emptied since June, 'cause if they were not and there were no redundancies or reserved assets preserved in UGFs or alternative locations, you can add a good 2-3 years more of recovery for IEI and SA-Iran

People must realize that no matter the shape in which Iran will get out of this militarily, there will be no "Chinese Marshall plan" afterwards to compensate. That's only for Israel. ToT and deliveries will be as painfully difficult to negotiate and materialize as before, so any net loss of essential production equipment will mean disastrous additions to reconstruction. One must recall that a good part of Iran's self-sufficiency program was conducted in the mid-to-late 2000s without the current level of sanctions and the MCTR, plus both Russians and Chinese were significantly more permissive back then in providing Iran with tech and services. So any machine-tool lost today means a magnitude more difficulties to get our hands on anything similar.

Any asset or important piece of infrastructure damaged or destroyed means we'll have many Norouz and birthdays to go before things are re-established. I might be in denial by asking Grok and Claude, which both assess a 3-5 year ballpark for the IADS + full MIssile/Drone production restoration, and 5-7 for the port and shipbuilding infrastructure, which I find overly optimistic but wish to believe. So long as the clock hasn't been set back 10-20 years, I consider the conflict not too damaging industrially.
But Iranians lives on the other hand, are not recoverable...

That war must not drag on, for lives first and foremost to be preserved, and precious infrastructure left in Iran as well. Iran will need anything she has to rebuild as fast as possible.

 

[ToqeLowkey]

Israeli-based OSINT reports that around 40,000–60,000 buildings have been damaged.

Whosr buildings ? Yahoodi ?

 

[MS Sandhu]

In the public domain. Many of you here read the site as well. Article is well worth the read:

Retired Patriot Battalion Commander On The Challenges Of Defeating Iran's Barrages

David Shank, former commandant of the Army's Air Defense Artillery School, offers a frank assessment of how air defenses are performing against Iran.

www.twz.com

Very credible reporting maintained by the war zone throughout this compaign.
Hats off.

 

[safriz]

Well not trying to go there but I would think if the majority of Bahraini population is against being ruled by the minority why can’t they show their frustration against a heavy handed ruler anymore than Syrians revolted against the alwaites not trying to detract just a simple observation

Then whats the difference between USA and Iran ? USA regularly does regime changes using similar logic and reasoning.