Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Bengal71]

Do these writings survive the ballistic fligt?

 

[MS Sandhu]

US bases are what got them attacked this time while US started a war without consulting them and gave all their interceptors to Israel instead

Yes US bases are the reason they are in this situation in first place.

 

[925boy]

One historian/analyst I like argues greater "Israel" already exists and is the gulf states in their current form.

Becsuse of the abramahic records the GCC signed?
Well no wonder Iran hit them GCC incompetents so hard- GCC was a much closer "Israel" that was less protected against Iran's strikes.

 

[Bengal71]

No one should believe a single word from NYT. When the PGCC had their first conference after the start of the conflict, Israel and the deep state through UAE expected a formal declaration of war against Iran from this conference. Saudi Arabia, Oman, and Qatar opposed the PGCC joining the conflict as a body.

And ever since Israel, UAE, and the deep state failed in their mission to get the PGCC declare war against Iran, they're running hit pieces against Saudi Arabia in NYT, WB, etc, falsely accusing MBS of encouraging Trump to wage war on Iran.

Truth is, this is a war engineered by Netanyahu and their Zionist lobby in America, and when Iran vigorously fought back, they point their fingers at others. They own this illegal war that was triggered for "Israel's" Greater Israel project.

No, Saudi and UAE are definitely involved.

 

[ShapurII]

Indeed how could I forget that one.... They were supposed to be "VM" variant. Yeah , as virtual as a Virtual Machine, I even made that joke about it back then

Those were the ones extensively involved in training by the IDF over Greece AFAIK, notwithstanding direct intelligence transfer on the systems by the Russians to them "Kazars"... as a rule of thumb, Iran should NEVER acquire or even partner with anything defense-related with Russia, or at least not the electronics. Nothing that can be tampered with or its specs leaked...

And that was me believing the IRGC PR about dozens of Bavar-373 being produced in parallel as early as 2020. One of the first things they should do after this war is to double, triple, quadruple production lines for Sayyad missiles and associated radar apparatus... I truly hope the OPTICS and Shiraz building were indeed emptied since June, 'cause if they were not and there were no redundancies or reserved assets preserved in UGFs or alternative locations, you can add a good 2-3 years more of recovery for IEI and SA-Iran

People must realize that no matter the shape in which Iran will get out of this militarily, there will be no "Chinese Marshall plan" afterwards to compensate. That's only for Israel. ToT and deliveries will be as painfully difficult to negotiate and materialize as before, so any net loss of essential production equipment will mean disastrous additions to reconstruction. One must recall that a good part of Iran's self-sufficiency program was conducted in the mid-to-late 2000s without the current level of sanctions and the MCTR, plus both Russians and Chinese were significantly more permissive back then in providing Iran with tech and services. So any machine-tool lost today means a magnitude more difficulties to get our hands on anything similar.

Any asset or important piece of infrastructure damaged or destroyed means we'll have many Norouz and birthdays to go before things are re-established. I might be in denial by asking Grok and Claude, which both assess a 3-5 year ballpark for the IADS + full MIssile/Drone production restoration, and 5-7 for the port and shipbuilding infrastructure, which I find overly optimistic but wish to believe. So long as the clock hasn't been set back 10-20 years, I consider the conflict not too damaging industrially.
But Iranians lives on the other hand, are not recoverable...

That war must not drag on, for lives first and foremost to be preserved, and precious infrastructure left in Iran as well. Iran will need anything she has to rebuild as fast as possible.

Brilliant assessment.
I could be wrong, but Iran received the PMU-2 variant of S-300 with some modifications. S-300VM also offers some anti-ballistic capabilities that Iran clearly lacked.

I think this war should end either by capitulation or a long-term settlement between us and the US. Anything else in between is disaster for Iran and Iranians.

 

[Master Chief]

Rubbish. Ww3 is an unreliable account except for missile alerts. Moreover, Trump himself has been leaking the supposed details.

 

[TallarnDesertRaider]

Listen to this comedy skit . Thing is what they did in Gaza, now nobody sympathizing with them .

The jew cries out in pain as it strikes you

 

[Master Chief]

Right, forget the hundreds of thousands of Syrians that made up the overwhelming majority of the rebellion, forget all those. Only the foreign Jihadis that came in afterwards and barely made up a sliver of the total fighters against Assad count. I had no idea the entire rebellion was made up of foreigners, which now run the country. Guess they really pulled the wool over our entire people, all 26million of us.

Holy gas lighting.

Valid points to be fair. Nobody has a completely clean history in this region.

 

[Tamerlane]

 

[ShapurII]

@Haz
As a Syrian, care to elaborate on the general sentiment of the Syrians about this war? What do they think about it? I know it is opinion-based, but I thought you might be able to share some information about it.

 

[MH.Yang]

Iran bombed the home of Knesset member Merav Ben-Ari.

israeli media: The Knesset member was not present when her home was destroyed.

For reference, she was the one that said after deaths of Gazan children in an israeli attack on a school : "These children brought it upon themselves". Which was even condemned by the West as a horrifying response.

Hope she was inside, but at least they are admitting that her home was destroyed

The foolishness of the Iranians. Letting this legislator continue speaking can help Iran gain more legitimacy, whereas killing him would only vent your worthless anger.

It is a waste of a missile; it would be better to use it to bomb a desalination plant.

 

[SecularNationalist]

Isreal has literally turned US into a joke.
Gotta appreciate the cunningness of nathanyahu. That man has effectively used US system, establishment and war machine in his favor. Though no success so far.

 

[Ali_Baba]

The foolishness of the Iranians. Letting this legislator continue speaking can help Iran gain more legitimacy, whereas killing him would only vent your worthless ger.

It is a waste of a missile; it would be better to use it to bomb a desalination plant.

I doubt that Iranian missiles are precise enough to hit a specific house. It will be a coincidence that’s all.

 

[ShapurII]

The foolishness of the Iranians. Letting this legislator continue speaking can help Iran gain more legitimacy, whereas killing him would only vent your worthless anger.

It is a waste of a missile; it would be better to use it to bomb a desalination plant.

Had she been killed, it would've been a huge PR win for Iran in the Muslim world.

 

[TallarnDesertRaider]

Has this been posted here? I laughed so much. They did not remember UNO when they were bombing Gaza

Lmfao this has me rolling. Neither Iran nor Israel, so far as I'm aware, ever signed into the ban on cluster munitions. The chosen people themselves have been shown to be using them non stop.

Well, I didn't think the meme I posted above would get worn out so quickly, but....alas, here we are.