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Is it possible Pakistan can work with Ukraine to build rd93 indigenously?
A RD-93/WS-13-class turbofan is prohibitive for us right now, but we should get a start on gas turbines and engines.

IMO, a good starting point is to identify the comparatively easier and higher-scale product. For example, if we have a 2-3-ton loyal wingman UCAV program in the works, then developing a 9-14 kN engine could be much more viable.

It's still very complex, but when you're dealing with drones and smaller crafts, the powerplant's performance, reliability, and durability requirements are much more accessible.

Moreover, we'd potentially manufacture many, many, many more 2-3-ton UCAVs than we would a JF-17-type fighter, so there's plenty of long-term economies of scale to absorb the R&D cost as well.
 
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might be the best jf17 footage i have ever seen .


our pr sucks man imagine full afterburner at this base at night

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might be the best jf17 footage i have ever seen .


our pr sucks man imagine full afterburner at this base at night

Mate, our PR sucks indeed but night flying at Skardu???
 
never that simple. Read on Chinas history regarding WS10, and India's with kaveri.

Engines are black magic, we're so used to them we dont appreciate the insane engineering behind them. Need to build something turning thousands of RPM, at thousands of degrees, that doesnt rip itself apart and can be used for decades!
And with each leap in generation it gets lighter, the engine life higher, thrust output and thrust to weight ratio significantly higher all the while keeping on board electrical power output higher than previous generation while keeping specific fuel consumption lower, and incorporate stealthier designs like serrations. Words like black magic doesn't do justice to the kind of stuff engines like P&W F-135 are.
 
Is it possible Pakistan can work with Ukraine to build rd93 indigenously?
1. Ukraine possesses only the overhaul technology for this engine, along with certain core technologies; they do not hold the complete technical package for it. The full technical rights remain in Russian hands. (China, however, does possess the technology for the RD-33 engine.)

2. Pakistan lacks the capacity to sustain a complete turbofan engine production line (referring here to actual manufacturing, not merely assembly).

3. The WS-13 project has been terminated. It has not—and will not, at any point in the past, present, or future—enter mass production.
After acquiring RD-33 engine technology from Russia, China began developing a domestic copy—the project known as the WS-13. However, due to a persistent lack of customers, the WS-13 engine never entered mass production. Although the FC-31 stealth fighter project initially utilized the WS-13, the engine's performance failed to meet the FC-31's specific requirements.
Subsequently, AECC reorganized its development team and undertook a comprehensive overhaul of the WS-13 engine. Drawing upon research advancements from the WS-15 and WS-19 engine programs, they executed a complete redesign of the engine. This effort ultimately proved successful, and the engine was officially redesignated as the WS-21.
It is crucial to note that the core structural architecture of the WS-21 differs entirely from that of the WS-13, RD-33, or RD-93 engines. Consequently, it is technically incorrect—as many often do—to refer to the WS-21 as the "WS-13E" or "WS-13 IPE."

The WS-21 engine is currently being widely deployed on the J-35 fighter jet, as well as on various other aircraft platforms. It represents the ideal choice for Pakistan as a replacement for the RD-93 engines currently powering its JF-17 fleet.
 
L... The WS-21 engine is currently being widely deployed on the J-35 fighter jet, as well as on various other aircraft platforms. It represents the ideal choice for Pakistan as a replacement for the RD-93 engines currently powering its JF-17 fleet.
Ok. So the WS-13 project has been terminated due to lack of customers as well as being underpowered for J-31.

It's successor, the WS-21 engine is in actual production and it is the engine for the J-31s as well as various other Chinese fighter aircraft.

Are you able to provide the following information please:
  • When did WS-21 production start?
  • How many can China produce annually?
  • How much work will be required to fit this engine onto JF-17 Thunders?
  • Which engines are being fitted onto new build J-10Cs currently?
 
  • When did WS-21 production start?
  • How many can China produce annually?
Mass production of the WS-21 began several years ago. I do not know the specific production capacity of the WS-21 engine production line. However, two key pieces of information are known:
1. The WS-21 engine utilizes a traditional production line, whereas the WS-19 engine employs a dual-pulse production line. Given this difference in manufacturing methods, the production volume of the WS-21 is expected to be lower than that of the WS-19.
2. The designed capacity of the WS-19 engine production line is approximately 60 units per month. Therefore, it is estimated that the production capacity for the WS-21 engine falls within the range of 30 to 40 units per month. Please note that this is a speculation based on engineering principles, not actual data.
  • How much work will be required to fit this engine onto JF-17 Thunders?
This is merely a speculation based on technical and engineering realities. Currently, there is no reliable information indicating that such work is underway.

The only fact I am aware of is that, over a year ago, Pakistan acquired a single WS-21 engine. However, judging by engineering and technical capabilities, Pakistan does not possess the necessary engineering capacity for this task. If the JF-17B3 were to utilize the WS-21 engine, the relevant work would likely be conducted at CAC, rather than in Pakistan.
  • Which engines are being fitted onto new build J-10Cs currently?
The J-10C fighter jets (including the J-10CE) have consistently utilized the WS-10B engine. Currently, there is no reliable information indicating any plans to switch engines.
 
why is that dangerous ??


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imagine footage like this , i have seen like a handfull of these from our f16
Long story short, the approach to runway is from a valley. VFR approach with mountains all around and tight turns will be dangerous at night.
 
...also where did u get the vid from
I think I got it from PAF's YouTube Channel.

I can tell you that i've had it since 25th July, 2020. Used it some clips in some of my video edits.
Mate, our PR sucks...
Please don't mention that to our good friend: tipu_creativity

Once he starts, he'll go on a rampage.
 

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