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[MS Sandhu]

Pakistani J-10C shot down Indian RAFALEs from 180-200km away

That's a completely lie from where ever it's coming.

Indian Rafale debris was found in Bathinda Indian Punjab, so Rafale was probably heading towards Bathinda Air Base after being hit by Pl-15 but could not make it to air base and crashed near Air Base.

Bathinda itself is only 70km from Pakistan border.So most educated guess is Rafale was hit at 50-60km range not at 200km range.
And that was longest hit in may conflict.Others were shot down at much closer range since their debris was found just 10-20km from border.Just like Mig21 was hit by amraam at very close range.

And don't forget, Indians made huge tactical mistakes in may conflict, their communications were jammed, and indian air force officials themselves admited on camera.
Still Out of total 70 planes in air, only 3-4 were shot down.

 

[MMM-E]

China and US have completely different approach.
They are developing A2A combat UCAV systems for Sixth Gen air combat technologies.
Those are very secret programs.We have no information to discuss.

USA-China develops manned Fighter Jet with 6th gen capabilities
but China and USA dont have anything similar to KIZILELMA yet

-- MURAD AESA Radar
-- TOYGUN EOTS
-- KARAT IRST
-- FEWS-U Electronic warfare Suite
-- internal weapon bays
-- AI Computers


btw , Turkiye also develops same technologies like ANKA-4


The technological capabilities of the Turkish defense industry are sufficient for this .....

Türkiye is far ahead of countries like France, The UK , Russia , India , S.Korea in unmanned systems, and is on par with countries like the USA and China.

 

[Pokemonte13]

Pakistani J-10CE shot down Indian RAFALEs from 180-200km away

We can do it too in the next a few years ....... Thanks to
-- KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet
-- Boeing E-7T AEWC with 600 km AESA Radar
-- 185-200+ km GOKBORA and GOKHAN ramjet powered air to air Missiles

200Km range doesn't mean it can effectively engage a fighter jet 200km.
Most likely NEZ is close to 60-80km and effective fire distance like 120-140.

 

[MMM-E]

Bathinda itself is only 70km from Pakistan border.So most educated guess is Rafale was hit at 50-60km range not at 200km range.

That's a completely lie from where ever it's coming.

are you troll or what ? typical FOINIKAS's team

Indian Pilots were drunk or traitor ?
RAFALE has AESA Radar to detect the J-10CE from 150+ km away and to fire METEOR Missiles

With a range of 70 km, were the Rafale pilots drunk that they didn't fire METEOR Missiles on the J-10CE ?

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Pakistani J-10CE Fighter Jets turned off their radars, detected the RAFALE from a great distance via AEWC, and guided PL-15 air-to-air missiles with Link-17 datalink to hit the RAFALE from a distance of 180-200 km

TOPIC is over with You after this silly post

 

[MMM-E]

200Km range doesn't mean it can effectively engage a fighter jet 200km.
Most likely NEZ is close to 60-80km and effective fire distance like 120-140.

İf you have 250-300 km air to air Missile then you can use it effectively engage on a Fighter Jet 180-200 km

Long range (180-200 km) Missile flight time is (2-3 minutes). Early detection becomes difficult, especially if the missile approaches at high altitude with a cold profile

Indian pilots received a warning as the missile approached, but either the distance was too short or there wasn't enough time to maneuver

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The J-10CE did this by turning off its own radar and firing "stealthily" using AWACS/Datalink support. The Rafale's warning system wasn't triggered early enough and entered NEZ

and GAME OVER

 

[MS Sandhu]

İf you have 250-300 km air to air Missile then you can use it effectively engage on a Fighter Jet 180-200 km

Long range (180-200 km) Missile flight time is (2-3 minutes). Early detection becomes difficult, especially if the missile approaches at high altitude with a cold profile

Indian pilots received a warning as the missile approached, but either the distance was too short or there wasn't enough time to maneuver

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The J-10CE did this by turning off its own radar and firing "stealthily" using AWACS/Datalink support. The Rafale's warning system wasn't triggered early enough and entered NEZ

and GAME OVER

No one is drunk except you.

The point is calculations aren't that plain and simple like you want us to believe.
Missiles are no magic bullets .
Rafale was hit from 50-60Km range not 200km.
Indians had their own Awacs & western ramjet powered bvr missiles in air but they couldn't score any kill.
Their are number of factors in air combat but your tiny brain fails to process those.

 

[Yasser76]

That's a completely lie from where ever it's coming.

Indian Rafale debris was found in Bathinda Indian Punjab, so Rafale was probably heading towards Bathinda Air Base after being hit by Pl-15 but could not make it to air base and crashed near Air Base.

Bathinda itself is only 70km from Pakistan border.So most educated guess is Rafale was hit at 50-60km range not at 200km range.
And that was longest hit in may conflict.Others were shot down at much closer range since their debris was found just 10-20km from border.Just like Mig21 was hit by amraam at very close range.

And don't forget, Indians made huge tactical mistakes in may conflict, their communications were jammed, and indian air force officials themselves admited on camera.
Still Out of total 70 planes in air, only 3-4 were shot down.

Nope, Warnes and PAF stating longest range kill was 180km.

 

[MS Sandhu]

Nope, Warnes and PAF stating longest range kill was 180km.

These numbers are grossly overestimating the kill range.
Warnes also claims 6 fighters were shot down while debris record exist for only 3-4 fighters
Bakion ko zameen kha gae ya asmaan nigl gia?
Even Janes once credible source, makes dubious claims about Pakistan like this one:

"The Fatah-II rocket is initially propelled using a single-stage dual-thrust solid rocket motor, which then disengages and glides to supersonic speeds to engage the target. (Janes)"

While the actual test footage suggests nothing like this.
When visual record exists, i don't need to believe biased media reports.

 

[Yasser76]

These numbers are grossly overestimating the kill range.
Warnes also claims 6 fighters were shot down while debris record exist for only 3-4 fighters
Bakion ko zameen kha gae ya asmaan nigl gia?
Even Janes once credible source, makes dubious claims about Pakistan like this one:

"The Fatah-II rocket is initially propelled using a single-stage dual-thrust solid rocket motor, which then disengages and glides to supersonic speeds to engage the target. (Janes)"

While the actual test footage suggests nothing like this.
When visual record exists, i don't need to believe biased media reports.

Yeah, well I will go with Warnes and the PAF if it is all the same.

Thanks

 

[MMM-E]

No one is drunk except you.

The point is calculations aren't that plain and simple like you want us to believe.
Missiles are no magic bullets .
Rafale was hit from 50-60Km range not 200km.
Indians had their own Awacs & western ramjet powered bvr missiles in air but they couldn't score any kill.
Their are number of factors in air combat but your tiny brain fails to process those.

**** off stupid troll
not 50-60 km but maybe 5-6 km

 

[MMM-E]

Until the Eurofighters arrive, the F-4s will still be used in air-to-ground attack missions and are superior to the Greek F-16s for this mission

Greek F-16s dont have land attack Cruise Missile


F-4s armed with land attack Cruise Missiles

75-100 km POPEYE ( 1.360 kg - warhead 340 kg )
280 km SOM ( 600 kg - warhead 230 kg )

By integrating the ATMACA-UM missile into F-4s, we can achieve precision strikes at a range of 650+ km



Additionally, F-4s are capable of carrying air launched Ballistic Missiles with range of 500-1.000 km

Since the F-4's existing avionics (EL/M-2032 radar, etc.) have already been updated for SOM Cruise Missile ..... ATMACA-UM , 300-ER , etc integration is technically possible


ATMACA-UM Cruise Missile

Length : 6 m
Weight : 890 kg
Warhead : 250 kg
Range : 400+ km ( from land platforms ) .... 650+ km ( from air platforms )
Guidance : INS + GPS + Barometric Altimeter + Radar Altimeter + TRN
Seeker : IIR

 

[Foinikas]

Pakistani J-10CE shot down Indian RAFALEs from 180-200km away

We can do it too in the next a few years ....... Thanks to
-- KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet
-- Boeing E-7T AEWC with 600 km AESA Radar
-- 185-200+ km GOKBORA and GOKHAN ramjet powered air to air Missiles

You are not the Pakistani Air Force,Kizilelma is not J-10C and your missiles are not PL-15E

In your mind,you're constantly creating scenarios where Turkish equipment always wins,
where everything works perfectly and where every single statistic on paper is taken as infallible truth.

 

[hyperman]

You can replace them because you are allowed to do so.
Look at us,We aren't allowed to replace even a rivet of F-16.

No, its because Turkey can. Nothing about "allowed". The Older F-16s didn't have contract restrictions that prevented modifications, so Turkey already swapped them out. The newer ones do have some restrictions, but with regards to modifying them, the only issue is that it would be breaking the agreement which would affect potential future purchases, that only a political challenge, if there is no need to acquire future platforms, or if there was a true necessity, they would almost certainly be swapped as well.

Turkish presence in Nato has allowed it to access the advanced American weaponary including its former presence in F35 program.

Which is why as of now, there is no rush to withdraw or anything like that. But as I said, its a bus ride, when it is at your stop you get off.

America would not mind either if its allies can defend themselves.

And thats a fundamental misunderstanding on your part. lol

The US wants dependence on itself, the independence creates axioms that allow for potential actions outside of the scope of things it might wish.

 

[hyperman]

Continue worship to mortals.

I don't think it was our side that builds statues. lol

You are out of your mind.

Its a fair question. What platforms existed pre 2000s? Failure to account for a concerted state support policy to create incubation that created world class products.

The thesis that govt policy to support the defense industry was the same from the 70s-90s is silly, and that everything magically started getting built and products delivered in the late 2000s and 2010s, and it had nothing to do with policy. Its just flat out incorrect.

 

[MMM-E]

You are not the Pakistani Air Force,Kizilelma is not J-10C and your missiles are not PL-15E

In your mind,you're constantly creating scenarios where Turkish equipment always wins,
where everything works perfectly and where every single statistic on paper is taken as infallible truth.

J-10C is not stealth platform like KIZILELMA
PL-15 Missile doesnt have ramjet engine and AESA seeker


This is an undeniable fact
KIZILELMA : 0,3 m2
RAFALE - F-16V : 2 m2 ( with air to air missiles + drop tanks )
F-15 : 5 m2

KIZILELMA has first look - first fire - first kill capability
and KIZILELMA is not paper project .. enter service by 2026


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And Turkish Air Force Boeing E-7T AEWC is superior to Pakistani Air Force 2000 ERIEYE and Hellenic Air Force EMB-145H Erieye


Also Pakistan and Greece dont have stand off Jammer Aircraft
while 4 ASOJ-23A stand off jammer Aircraft to enter service for the Turkish Air Force between 2026 and 2028

to jam and paralyze enemy Radars and Communications Systems from 400 km away


This is technology ...
And Countries that produce their own technology will always have the advantage.