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[hyperman]

You don't know the history of Turkey. Until the marshall aid we had no tractors. Even steel production started in 1940s, came to an acceptable capacity in the 70s. Turkey's economy was so shit in 90s that Özal was travelling to other countries begging money.

Koreans got masssive US aid and Japanese tech we got nothing.

After the independece war, Turkey was ravaged, there were even no roads, at the east of Ankara. We build the capacity over decades. When i was a kid my friends father was working on Tubitak Sage, they were working on Toros missiles but they always lacked funding. I mean vision doesn't let alone let's you do stuff, if you don't have the industry, know how and money altogether.

Let's say, Somalia got a very visionary President right now. Do you expect them to go to moon?

What products were delivered from 1970-2000. Lets compare that to say 2000-2030

Or did Turkey still not have roads in the 1970s?

We have seen Countries with no defense industries develop in 30 year timespans. India's space program or Pakistan's own nuclear program, We saw several Soveit bloc countries like Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, and even Poland build and deliver products for defense industries. Every single one of them was better off than Turkey?

No, b/c Yugoslavia actively pushed for self reliance BECAUSE of a strategic priority to not be dependent on the Soviets or any Bloc for its defense needs. Look at Iran post revolution, under heavy sanctions, yet it delivered self reliance and products. Why? B/c of political policy of self reliance driving development of defense industry.

India was launching Satellites carried by Ox Carts.



The point it, where there is policy from the state in a concerted effort, there are eventually breakthroughs.

We have literally seen people talk about the former deepstate blacklist people because they felt the came from religious backgrounds. We have seen people say that they were rejected because the state didn't prioritize independent capacity, and preferring to buy off the shelf. Haluk Bayraktar spoke of the several times they were turned away or how things weren't nurtured.

If you don't understand how State policy drives industry, then it is you who doesn't understand history.

 

[Sinan]

Turkiye had enough İndustry to produce Aircrfat in 1930s , 1940s
In the 1930s, Türkiye was among the few countries that produced Aircraft, and this was part of the industrialization drive during the ATATURK era
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But , ISMET INONU blocked Turkish Aviation Industry
Instead of saying "Let's produce it ourselves" they said "America is giving it away for free, why should we spend money ?"

for example NURI DEMIRAG , THK canceled orders, exports were blocked, and court cases went against him. The factory was left without orders in 1944 and closed.

Economic and political choices led to the purchase of cheap and free Aircraft from America and France, instead of sustaining our own aviation industry

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Turkiye had enough Industry to produce its own Car brand but domestic Car projects were blocked in Türkiye. Especially the DEVRIM automobile (1961)

TOGG was produced thanks to President Erdogan's efforts.

The reason our defense industry has developed so much is again the result of ERDOGAN's support and political stability.

Oh come on. It's not like they industrially produced anything. Where did they made that engine for example? It's more like a romantic story, too pump junior engineers like me 20 years ago.


TOGG is a failure from the beginning, doomed for bankruptcy. It's business model is all wrong.

 

[Sinan]

Again thanks to great Leader ERDOGAN

Can't read the rest..... you are so cringe.

Wish you were not Turkish and i wouldn't have to get embarresed for you.

 

[Sinan]

What products were delivered from 1970-2000. Lets compare that to say 2000-2030

Or did Turkey still not have roads in the 1970s?

We have seen Countries with no defense industries develop in 30 year timespans. India's space program or Pakistan's own nuclear program, We saw several Soveit bloc countries like Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, and even Poland build and deliver products for defense industries. Every single one of them was better off than Turkey?

No, b/c Yugoslavia actively pushed for self reliance BECAUSE of a strategic priority to not be dependent on the Soviets or any Bloc for its defense needs. Look at Iran post revolution, under heavy sanctions, yet it delivered self reliance and products. Why? B/c of political policy of self reliance driving development of defense industry.

India was launching Satellites carried by Ox Carts.

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The point it, where there is policy from the state in a concerted effort, there are eventually breakthroughs.

We have literally seen people talk about the former deepstate blacklist people because they felt the came from religious backgrounds. We have seen people say that they were rejected because the state didn't prioritize independent capacity, and preferring to buy off the shelf. Haluk Bayraktar spoke of the several times they were turned away or how things weren't nurtured.

If you don't understand how State policy drives industry, then it is you who doesn't understand history.

What bunch of non-sense sentences. Maybe if we all want, we can make Israel disappear.

You guys are just trying to waste my time, by making me repeat things for the 10th time. Enough

 

[Sinan]

Allegations that he was obstructed by bureaucrats and some military personnel have been explicitly stated by SELCUKand HALUK Bayraktar in multiple interviews

The same mentality that once obstructed Nuri Demirag in 1940s also tried to obstruct the Bayraktar family in 2000-2010s, but thanks to ERDOGAN's great support, today we are able to produce technologically advanced weapons like AKINCI UCAV and KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet

Just admit that you hate Turks.

 

[MMM-E]

Oh come on. It's not like they industrially produced anything. Where did they made that engine for example? It's more like a romantic story, too pump junior engineers like me 20 years ago.

They even obstructed private enterprises like those of Nuri Demirag and Vecihi Hurkuş .... We could have built the engine ourselves too


for example today ,,,, Does the fact that Baykar produced KIZILELMA make it worthless ?

The TF-6,000 and TF-10,000 engines are also under development.

As long as there is political support, that's enough; it shouldn't be an obstacle like the CHP and so-called leftists who called KAAN as radiator ..... and KIZILELMA as fake model which can not even fly

Can't read the rest..... you are so cringe.

Long live great Leader ERDOGAN

 

[Sinan]

Again thanks to great Leader ERDOGAN who increased Turkish economy from $210 billion to $1,57 trillion ... ( despite the judicial-military coup attempts and American attacks on Turkish economy between 2013-2018 )

before ERDOGAN , Our economy was 1.5 times larger than Greece's, is now 5 times larger as of 2026

MONEY = POWER

The scale of the development of over 1400 military projects has exceeded $100 billion.

Oh wow, the “Great Leader single-handedly built the economy” argument again. Let’s take this seriously for about 10 seconds.

So according to you, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan personally took Turkey from $210B to $1.57T—because apparently global markets, demographics, post-2001 reforms, and 20 years of credit expansion don’t exist. Incredible. Economists worldwide must be furious they didn’t realize growth was just about having a “great leader.”

Now let’s talk about what you conveniently ignore:
If this is all genius leadership, then what about:

- The Turkish lira losing massive value over time?
- Inflation consistently eroding people’s purchasing power?
- GDP in USD terms going up… then crashing… then going up again depending on the exchange rate?

Or do those magically fall under your favorite category: “foreign attacks”?

And that part is my favorite:
“American attacks on the economy”

Right. Because when policy works = leadership
When policy fails = conspiracies, and invisible enemies


Now your Greece comparison is honestly peak comedy. Comparing Turkey to Greece—a country that went through one of the worst financial collapses in Europe—and acting like outperforming them is some kind of historic achievement?

That’s like bragging:
“I’m stronger than a guy who just came out of intensive care.”

Turkey has ~85 million people. Greece has ~10 million. Being bigger economically is the minimum expectation, not a miracle.

“MONEY = POWER”

Great slogan. Now explain:
- Why people rush to buy dollars and gold?
- Why real wages struggle against inflation?
- Why stability is missing?

Because real power isn’t printing bigger numbers—it’s maintaining value.



Everything good = Erdoğan
Everything bad = coups, America, fate, enemies, weather, probably Mercury in retrograde

That's the definition of fanaticism.

 

[MMM-E]

Just admit that you hate Turks.

I am most nationalist member on PDF who is trying to glorify the Turks , Turkiye and Turkish Defense Industry

Making only statues doesn't show love for the country
You should support the defense industry and grow the economy like president ERDOGAN

 

[MMM-E]

Now your Greece comparison is honestly peak comedy. Comparing Turkey to Greece—a country that went through one of the worst financial collapses in Europe—and acting like outperforming them is some kind of historic achievement?

Ok lets compare Turkiye with Germany

Before ERDOGAN 2001
9,6 x Turkiye ( $203 billion ) = 1 x Germany ( $1,96 trillion )

After ERDOGAN 2026
3,3 x Turkiye ( $1,57 trillion ) = 1 x Germany ( $5,32 trillion )

Your political blindness and hatred have resulted in nothing but attempts to discredit ERDOGAN's achievements.

 

[BaybarsHan]

Oh wow, the “Great Leader single-handedly built the economy” argument again. Let’s take this seriously for about 10 seconds.

So according to you, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan personally took Turkey from $210B to $1.57T—because apparently global markets, demographics, post-2001 reforms, and 20 years of credit expansion don’t exist. Incredible. Economists worldwide must be furious they didn’t realize growth was just about having a “great leader.”

Now let’s talk about what you conveniently ignore:
If this is all genius leadership, then what about:

- The Turkish lira losing massive value over time?
- Inflation consistently eroding people’s purchasing power?
- GDP in USD terms going up… then crashing… then going up again depending on the exchange rate?

Or do those magically fall under your favorite category: “foreign attacks”?

And that part is my favorite:
“American attacks on the economy”

Right. Because when policy works = leadership
When policy fails = conspiracies, and invisible enemies


Now your Greece comparison is honestly peak comedy. Comparing Turkey to Greece—a country that went through one of the worst financial collapses in Europe—and acting like outperforming them is some kind of historic achievement?

That’s like bragging:
“I’m stronger than a guy who just came out of intensive care.”

Turkey has ~85 million people. Greece has ~10 million. Being bigger economically is the minimum expectation, not a miracle.

“MONEY = POWER”

Great slogan. Now explain:
- Why people rush to buy dollars and gold?
- Why real wages struggle against inflation?
- Why stability is missing?

Because real power isn’t printing bigger numbers—it’s maintaining value.



Everything good = Erdoğan
Everything bad = coups, America, fate, enemies, weather, probably Mercury in retrograde

That's the definition of fanaticism.

Fetö or CHP?

 

[Sinan]

Fetö or CHP?

Fvck em both.

This is the first time ever, some guy asked me i'm the follower of the pörtlek gözlü orospu evladı. How did you get that impression ?

 

[Sinan]

Your political blindness and hatred

You still don't understand. When i say don't praise politicians, i mean all of them.

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[Sinan]

I am most nationalist member on PDF who is trying to glorify the Turks , Turkiye and Turkish Defense Industry

Making only statues doesn't show love for the country
You should support the defense industry and grow the economy like president ERDOGAN

I don't see you praising Turkish people or nation, you praise only politicians.

 

[Sinan]

Making only statues doesn't show love for the country

Fvck CHP, KIlıçdar, Özel, İmamoğlu... like why should i care for them ???

You are a fanatic and think at that mind set. You put me on a political spectrum based on my posts, and you take a shot at a party that you assumed within my political spectrum.

That tactic only applies to fanatics like you.

I'm on the Turkish peoples side, not on a politicians. That's what you can't process as you hate Turkish people.

 

[MMM-E]

I don't see you praising Turkish people or nation, you praise only politicians.

999 out of my 1000 posts are to praise Turkish military technologies , Turkish People and Turkish history
What about you ? You are playing politics only as a fanatic

if members like you come along and try to belittle and discredit ERDOGAN's 23 years of great effort and support, of course I will defend ERDOGAN

He is President of the Turkish People and Republic of Turkiye
ERDOGAN is on the Turkish People side