PAF J-10CE News Updates and Discussions part ll

[AeronautIR]

Unknown!
Currently, there is no reliable information available.

IMO:
This J-10CE is configured with three external fuel tanks, one PL-12 air-to-air missile (live round), and one PL-15 air-to-air missile (training round).
Based on an analysis of these factors, it is highly unlikely that the aircraft is destined for Pakistan; it is far more probable that it is intended for another new customer. Given the presence of the PL-12 air-to-air missile, the client in question may be a nation "poorer than Pakistan."
Of course, this remains pure speculation.

Let's see, though I will not personally read too much into that PL-12. If there was no PL-15, then may be we could assume that it isn't for Pakistan. PAF has SD-10 in inventory and making it compatible with J-10C makes sense for any possible future scenario.

 

[Deino]

This photo has been circulating on Chinese social media for several days now. However, the exact time it was taken remains unknown.

Btw:
This is a J-10CE, not a J-10C. The intended customer is unknown.

Are we sure it is a J-10C - then it is likely for the PLAAF - and not a J-10CE - and as such for export - especially when the dorsal antennas are not visible?

In fact I'm more confused by the construction number since all so far known ones had 20x numbers and not 020x for J-10CEs.

 

[Michael]

Are we sure it is a J-10C - then it is likely for the PLAAF - and not a J-10CE - and as such for export - especially when the dorsal antennas are not visible?

In fact I'm more confused by the construction number since all so far known ones had 20x numbers and not 020x for J-10CEs.

Pay attention here! The J-10C features a three-section design, whereas the J-10CE features a two-section design.

Let's see, though I will not personally read too much into that PL-12. If there was no PL-15, then may be we could assume that it isn't for Pakistan. PAF has SD-10 in inventory and making it compatible with J-10C makes sense for any possible future scenario.

This J-10CE, sporting a yellow primer finish, is currently in the testing phase.

I am aware that the PAF possesses PL-12/SD-10 air-to-air missiles. However, if these fighter jets are being produced for the PAF, then there is no need to conduct live-fire testing of the PL-12/SD-10 on them.

 

[Deino]

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Pay attention here! The J-10C features a three-section design, whereas the J-10CE features a two-section design.
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That unfortunately is not correct!

The PAF J-10CEs Batch 01 all have the same late-PLAAF batch (from Batch 07 on) slime lights:




Per my understanding the most obvious detail to differ a CE from a C is to look for this blade / datalink antenna:

 

[Michael]

That unfortunately is not correct!

The PAF J-10CEs Batch 01 all have the same late-PLAAF batch (from Batch 07 on) slime lights:

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Per my understanding the most obvious detail to differ a CE from a C is to look for this blade / datalink antenna:

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Based on currently available information:
All J-10CE fighter jets operated by the PAF feature a two-segment formation light system. The photograph you provided also reflects this configuration.

Conversely, every photograph I have been able to locate shows that the PLAAF's J-10C aircraft utilize a three-segment formation light system. (Note: The J-10CY aircraft operated by the August 1st Aerobatic Team are an exception, as they feature the two-segment system.)

I am unable to account for the specific configuration shown in the photograph you provided; it represents a variant I have never encountered before.

In terms of external appearance, the J-10CE bears a closer resemblance to the J-10B. Both variants lack a third antenna and feature the two-segment formation light system...

There are reports suggesting that the PLAAF is upgrading its J-10B fleet to the J-10BG standard. However, I have not yet been able to locate any photographs of the upgraded J-10BG. It is generally speculated that if the J-10BG upgrade includes "system-of-systems combat" capabilities, then this "missing system-of-systems combat antenna" may be filled. If so, its external configuration would align precisely with the aircraft depicted in the photograph you provided.

 

[Deino]

HMM?? Per my info CAC changes from the 3-part formation lights to the new type with Batch 07 aka the J-10CY ... here is likely (per Huitong) a Batch 08 J-10C also with the new type:

 

[jehangir]

Some expert please comment on the article below.
"Chinese J-10C Fighter Locked Onto By Hostile Aircraft in Border Engagement: Uses Complex Manoeuvres to Gain Upper Hand"

Chinese J-10C Fighter Locked Onto By Hostile Aircraft in Border Engagement: Uses Complex Manoeuvres to Gain Upper Hand

A Chinese People’s Liberation Army Air Force J-10C lightweight fighter has engaged an aircraft from an unnamed foreign country, after being locked onto by the

militarywatchmagazine.com

 

[Deino]

Some expert please comment on the article below.
"Chinese J-10C Fighter Locked Onto By Hostile Aircraft in Border Engagement: Uses Complex Manoeuvres to Gain Upper Hand"

Chinese J-10C Fighter Locked Onto By Hostile Aircraft in Border Engagement: Uses Complex Manoeuvres to Gain Upper Hand

A Chinese People’s Liberation Army Air Force J-10C lightweight fighter has engaged an aircraft from an unnamed foreign country, after being locked onto by the

militarywatchmagazine.com

Militarywatchmagazine is pure BS!

 

[TOPGUN]

So heard news circulating that we will be getting more J-10C's to match IAF Rafaele deal can anyone shine some light on that ?

 

[Starlord]

So heard news circulating that we will be getting more J-10C's to match IAF Rafaele deal can anyone shine some light on that ?

 

[Oscar]

So heard news circulating that we will be getting more J-10C's to match IAF Rafaele deal can anyone shine some light on that ?

You can get them as soon as you want- but whether you actually want to based on budget distribution versus other glaring gaps is an issue.

The IAF has clearly indicated where its strategy is going with standoff ballistics and Brahmos launches under heavy cover of SAMs and unlike the Russians they intend to rotate their ADGE smartly and regardless of their implementation in reality one assumes competence.

In such a scenario you are much more constrained in how you can deploy your air power and establish air superiority - so spending on aerial assets may not be a priority unless they are LO.

 

[flyingorca]

i mean you are right ofcourse

but what i am saying is that it was posted by a famous pakistani insta account, who posts videos of paf jets taking off, landing e.t.c.

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And i mean also the bricks look Pakistan to me? plus pakistani insta account?

what could it be doing here (if its here)

The bricks look too clean and smooth to be Pakistan

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

So heard news circulating that we will be getting more J-10C's to match IAF Rafaele deal can anyone shine some light on that ?

That’s true and it’s not a news. Since J-35 won’t be available until 2030 or after, Pakistan had to allocate funds for additional J-10C.

 

[MastanKhan]

That’s true and it’s not a news. Since J-35 won’t be available until 2030 or after, Pakistan had to allocate funds for additional J-10C.

Hi,

J-35 is available. But they are waiting for what package the coming rafales will have & what direction the IAF will go for the 5th gen aircraft.

It also depends on the threat level which could make the induction sooner.

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

Hi,

J-35 is available. But they are waiting for what package the coming rafales will have & what direction the IAF will go for the 5th gen aircraft.

It also depends on the threat level which could make the induction sooner.

With all due respect, I have seen you on this forum for ages. Sir, let’s clear this up a bit, because it often gets misunderstood.
Just because something is offered, or technically available, doesn’t mean Pakistan is in a position to bring it into service right away. The J‑35 is a good example of that. Yes, it’s been offered, and yes, it might be within reach in the coming years but that doesn’t automatically mean Pakistan is ready to induct it.

A 5th‑generation jet isn’t like adding another 4th or 4.5‑generation fighter to the fleet. It comes with its own ecosystem. You need specialized ground equipment, controlled environments, trained crews, and a whole maintenance setup that simply doesn’t exist yet. Without that foundation, even if the aircraft is available, it can’t be operated the way it’s meant to be.

So the real issue isn’t availability, it’s readiness. And Pakistan still has a lot of groundwork to do before a platform like the J‑35 can realistically fit into the PAF structure.

This a simple answer. I could go into 21 points technical analysis including Ukraine war and Iran - USA conflict.