Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Ali_Baba]

Every single one of these ports is in missile range of Iran...

Yes, agree. But this approach breaks the escalation ladder into two. First, is shutting down the straits, and the second is to directly attack countries to go after ports and pipelines to stop the oil flow.

 

[Himalayan]

As you said, the Iranians are smart and they understand the Chinese mentality quite well.

They have let Iran down many times and stabbed us in the back at every turn, but now that Iran is winning this war at a great cost to our country and infrastructure, they're the first one demanding credit!

They have ruined Iran with their "friendship" with us. 4 rounds of UN Security Council sanctions that crippled our economy. A recent UNSC resolution that enables GCC states to ask for reparations from us through the ICJ, effectively ruining our already fragile economy even further. And another UNSC proposal by Bahrain that is in the making as we speak and will legitimize military force against us, which is probably going to be passed again.

The US, particularly under a maniac like Trump, is an absolutely terrible enemy for us. But when we were on friendly terms with them, they did help Iran a lot and built a lot of things for us that lasted decades. The modern Chinese did nothing for Iran even when we were having peak friendly relations.

We all recognize Iran’s sacrifices and China’s UNSC votes are reality. Still, every country prioritizes its own people and national interests. What you see as betrayal, we see as realpolitik. Neither friendship nor enmity is absolute in international affairs. That’s just how sovereign states operate.

 

[Desert]

Every single one of these ports is in missile range of Iran...

ya but if you target the pump station (afif and dawdme pump stations) it will immediately stop , no need to target the whole pipeline

 

[VCheng]

Trump is the ultimate Manchurian candidate. Strategically placed to unravel the US position in the world through sheer stupidity and myopic, whimsical policies (except those that help in whisperers from Israel and their local cabal inside of Washington DC).

So, overall, this is what many people around the world desire - a world without US leadership and hegemony - and hence Trump is ideal for that. The present war is just one of the associated effects with such a change, that is all.

 

[ShapurII]

Yes, agree. But this approach breaks the escalation ladder into two. First, is shutting down the straits, and the second is to directly attack countries to go after ports and pipelines to stop the oil flow.

The Strait of Hormuz is a card that Iran should not overplay.

It worked this time, but our authorities would be a fool if they think they can overplay it and use it again and again in the future.

 

[Aggregate]

what mongols did is nothing what knights templar did .. trust me in this.
they are 1000000 worse.

I agree with you .. Gengis Khan killed maybe 40 Million or so (alleged) ... now lets look at the West:

• 55 Million Indigenous Natives killed while Europe colonized North America
• 165 Million killed in wars establishing and continuing British Raj in India
• 61 Million killed in Africa in Slave Trading, Diamond & Gold extractions
• Quarter of a Million Aboriginals killed in Australia
• 25 Million killed in African plantations
• 8 Million killed in Anti-West Axis during WW1 & WW2, including firebombings of civilians all across Germany, as well as all of Tokyo, that are considered to be far worse than even the 2 Nukes that they used in Japan.

.. and this horrible bloodlust of West is still not coming to an end, since WW2 ..... People just don't realize how bad the West is, coz the West covers it all up with 'Civilized West' narrative

 

[Ali_Baba]

Egypt profited some much due to our own pipleline (sumid) it used to transfer 1 million barrel daily now 2.5 million due to war.

It is possible to have pipes in tunnels (like the channel tunnel ) under both the Gulf of Suez, and the Red Sea ? Does the terrain allow for that ?

 

[Desert]

It is possible to have pipes in tunnels (like the channel tunnel ) under both the Gulf of Suez, and the Red Sea ? Does the terrain allow for that ?

ya absolutely , we dug many tunnels under suez to connect sinai and rest of Egypt from under the water

 

[Foinikas]

ahhhh here comes the greek to twist facts (like they always do), he knows very well what crusaders even did to byzantine and yet hey look asians are the bad not the europeans.

europeans have been salughtering each others for years cuz of christianity , who can forget northern crusades and the murder of children, women and men in northern europe just to spread christanity .. do you want me to put a list of how many cities were destroyed , kids were killed and women were raped by bother orthdox and catholic armies?

You seriously compare Mongol brutality and barbarism to Crusaders?

 

[Desert]

I agree with you .. Gengis Khan killed maybe 40 Million or so (alleged) ... now lets look at the West:

• 55 Million Indigenous Natives killed while Europe colonized North America (99.8% of all of the North and South American Population)
• 165 Million killed in wars establishing and continuing British Raj in India
• 61 Million killed in Africa in Slave Trading, Diamond & Gold extractions
• Quarter of a Million Aboriginals killed in Australia
• 25 Million killed in African plantations
• 8 Million killed in Ant-West Axis during WW1 & WW2

300 Million humans there alone .. and this horrible bloodlust of West is still not coming to an end .... and that does not include all the wars since WW2, as West became real good at muddying it up in insurgencies, etc. People just don't realize how bad the West is, coz they cover it all up with 'Civilized West' narrative

and check this out ( you may laugh) ..
the fourth crusade ( 1202 -1204) , it was intended to invade Egypt ( because we used to kick the crusaders asses) however it shifted to invade the orthodox byzantine state LOL .. catholics and orthodox fought each others ( they are blood thirsty).

 

[Blain2]

So, overall, this is what many people around the world desire - a world without US leadership and hegemony - and hence Trump is ideal for that. The present war is just one of the associated effects with such a change, that is all.

I think what he is doing this time around is irreversible in terms of the damage to US prestige, power and credibility around the world.

Truly a case of use and abuse by the Israelis with nothing of benefit to the United States. Netanyahu to the US:

 

[HH-9A]

It is possible to have pipes in tunnels (like the channel tunnel ) under both the Gulf of Suez, and the Red Sea ? Does the terrain allow for that ?

The question is always “ at what cost “?

 

[Ali_Baba]

ya absolutely , we dug many tunnels under suez to connect sinai and rest of Egypt from under the water

Egypt should look to extend its oil pipelines to Jordan and Saudi Arabia that does not involve any ships to get the oil to Egypt. Economically cheaper in the long run once the initial investment cost is absorbed.

 

[Blain2]

You seriously compare Mongol brutality and barbarism to Crusaders?

Well, the point perhaps is that Crusaders knew, or should have known better. They had the Bible by their side and along with it, the morality of their Abrahamic faith to guide them. But that did not stop them from mass murdering innocents inside Jerusalem.

Mongols obviously had no such qualms about effecting slaughter at a mass scale.

 

[ShapurII]

I agree with you .. Gengis Khan killed maybe 40 Million or so (alleged) ... now lets look at the West:

• 55 Million Indigenous Natives killed while Europe colonized North America (99.8% of all of the North and South American Population)
• 165 Million killed in wars establishing and continuing British Raj in India
• 61 Million killed in Africa in Slave Trading, Diamond & Gold extractions
• Quarter of a Million Aboriginals killed in Australia
• 25 Million killed in African plantations
• 8 Million killed in Ant-West Axis during WW1 & WW2

300 Million humans there alone .. and this horrible bloodlust of West is still not coming to an end .... and that does not include all the wars since WW2, as West became real good at muddying it up in insurgencies, etc. People just don't realize how bad the West is, coz they cover it all up with 'Civilized West' narrative

Some of these numbers are not very relevant because they're from different centuries. 40 million people in the 13th century was about 10% of the entire world's population, if my Google results are correct.

And as I said, the Mongols didn't only kill people, they also killed animals, burnt down cities, destroyed forests, and committed many other atrocities. They depopulated regions, in the literal sense of the word.