US Perspective on the Iran - Israel / US War

You are correct in pointing out that USA is more insulated from high energy prices than most other countries, and that takes away much of the direct leverage Iran currently has over the Strait.

The leverage comes from the oil, but the world economy that the USA is dependent on to "sell" things it "makes", and "provides". Once the economy starts to seize up, then that will hit home.

Asia is being affected alot by this now, with restrictions announced at various levels. This is only going to get worse unless there is a resolution.
 
Once the economy starts to seize up, then that will hit home.

Well, let us wait and see, then. The latest figures for the US economy are not that bad yet.

Asia is being affected alot by this now, with restrictions announced at various levels. This is only going to get worse unless there is a resolution.

I would let Asia worry about Asia's problems. After all, USA is not the world's sole superpower anymore, as many here believe, so it is not responsible for anyone else but itself.
 
Most Asian countries , including staunch American allies like the Philippines , have cut deals with Iran to allow tankers to pass through. There is no real shortage of oil. You just have to pay the embedded geopolitical premium, and, in some cases, protection money to Iran to buy it. That itself will trigger a recession and reduce demand for oil.

This war is already extremely unpopular. Sending troops on the ground will trigger a MAGA revolt.
This is not about deals or MAGA, this is about price, and how bad it can be, but more importantly, how you can fix it

It really didn't matter if Asia reached a deal with Iran, the ships are still not moving, and we have already done a very big damage in the last 33 days. Even if stuff ends tomorrow, you are looking at around half a year to go back to normal.

It all started here


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Hormuz sees about 130-140 tanker movements a day, we got 7 yesterday, usually it's either 0 or 1, and no more than 10 on a good day (I think there is a day that 13 went through, anyway) so let's say on average, we have 10 pass thru a day, which is very generous, we would had 330 ships sail thru the last month, which usually seen 4000+, which mean 93% of the shipping is currently suspended, unless they had pipeline directly from the Middle East, deal or no deal, nothing had moved. And the ship doesn't teleport from Hormuz straight to Japan, South Korea, or the Philippines........So you get the drift

If you are an American, you may ask, "What does that have to do with us? We produce more than we use, and we don't generally depend on oil in the Middle East." Well, oil prices are global. which means when Asia, which is the industrial heart of the world, is not getting enough oil, they will buy OVER the market price from somewhere else, which means even if you are not related to Hormuz and its spoil of war, you would still get a price hike because say if you are Texas Oil Exec, would you sell 30% more over the market price to Japan or South Korea or at price to local? And that also means whatever you are getting from China, Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, and Taiwan, which is basically everything in your home, you now get them more expensive. Either that or the entire supply line is just gone.

Which means at the end of the day, you are looking at 6 months + when the oil price is going to go up and up, and that's if the issue is resolved in Hormuz. And there is no guarantee that, if the escalation keeps going, and either Trump or Iran or both don't back down, the only way we can physically stop it is literally either force a regime change in Iran, or the US has to occupy part or all of the Iranian coast. Because if Iran keeps on closing the Strait even after the US says they have had enough and is going home, that's what will happen.
 
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Well, let us wait and see, then. The latest figures for the US economy are not that bad yet.



I would let Asia worry about Asia's problems. After all, USA is not the world's sole superpower anymore, as many here believe, so it is not responsible for anyone else but itself.

"No man is an island" ...
 
"No man is an island" ...

.... but some are more remote and larger than others, economically".

By the time USA catches a cold, the others may have a serious pneumonia, as it were.
 
.... but some are more remote and larger than others, economically".

By the time USA catches a cold, the others may have a serious pneumonia, as it were.
We only have to see physical shortages of fuel and long lines at gas stations in Asia and Europe to see the oil futures skyrocket and Dow plummet, alongwith upwards pressure on Treasury bonds. Then the real pain begins. Oil is a global commodity and markets are global too.
 
.... but some are more remote and larger than others, economically".

By the time USA catches a cold, the others may have a serious pneumonia, as it were.

We will find out how "isolated" USA is, it will be a "case study" of "a fools folly" by the USA ..
 
Was this Iran war happening over the whole last year ? The T bond rates look bad anyway due to the increasingly unsustainable size of US debt, imagine where they will go with more war and energy shortages ?

So what you are saying is that the war has itself had no major effect thus far.

Which is exactly what I said. :D
 
If a ground war is going to happen in Iran, and it had to be a border intrusion, chances are this is probably coming from Turkey rather than Pakistan.

For starters, Pakistan is having its own war with the Taliban, which started a few weeks before Iran; they won't dive into another war just because the US or Saudi Arabia asks them to.

Second, there is more US equipment in Turkey than in Pakistan. We emptied most of our warehouse in Pakistan when we pulled out in 2021; they are either gone or given to the Pakistani Army. The Taliban probably had more of our equipment than Pakistan does.

And finally, we can't do anything without any build-up, and building up in Turkey is a lot easier than in Pakistan, and less conspicuous.

But this is BS anyway, neither Turkey or Pakistan will allow their border to be used as any invasion for Iran.
Why would they use Turkey, which wont allow it anyways, instead of Northern Iraq, the Kurdish autonomous region? Don't they have significant military assets there too?
 

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