Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[lightning f57]

Seems like an F-15E

USAF losses now matching or exceeding those of 1991 Gulf War and 2003 Gulf War.

I think they expected some losses but as mentioned, at this rate capability so eroding.

4 F-15Es
1 F-35 Damaged/write off
2 E-3s
2 C-130 Compass Call
8 (possibly more!?) KC-135s

Even for USAF this presents about 2-3s years worth of attrition. Same as PAF losing 6 planes in 1 month, and imagine of those 6 if 1 was Erieye, 1 was Falcon 20 , 1 was IL-76 and 3 were F-16s.

See my point?

1 more month and if Iran keeps this up, USAF losses will be 35-40 planes. Again, US can take this for sure, but almost all of the above are no longer being manufactured apart from F-35, so these will be a erosion of capability in short/medium term

Again, also add planes they will no need to retire early due to war use/fatigue.

By default this has put PLAAF and PLAAN Air Arm ahead by a year or so simply by standing there watching

This also shows importance of having fighter jets with long range BVR weapons. Both US and Israel are using stand off weapons which shows they dont completely control the skys, a fighter jet with those long claws would give them more losses and prevent allot of the civilian infrastructure destruction we have seen.

Iran strategised a war without an airforce or navy, knowing the economic and civilian cost which tells us they can continue fighting like this for a long while.

 

[RescueRanger]

Often they have criticised Qatar policies and very very few Arab news outlets are allowed to do that in their countries

My reason for distrusting them is more to do with matters at home.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

You are crazy. Al Jazeera Arabic has been the most reliable source for all news related to the conflict.

They're literally almost 100% official sources and verified information on ground.

And they will share everything said by officials from all parties and sources from all parties. Which is good to have. The world and us middle Easterners need to see and read what Israeli officials are saying and up to.

From the perspective of the Chinese, Al Jazeera is the most pro-west middle eastern media outlet.

They are Arabs, but keep using the talking points of the westerners.

No wonder our Iranian friends feel the same.

 

[Falcon29]

Because many instances have come out of us firing missiles from Kuwait..

Do you have proof?

Why is gas facilities, power plants and water desalination plants being spared in Israel ? Is it lack of capability or unwillingness to do so?

It's Israel which attacked oil facilities and other critical infrastructure in Iran.

Putting pressure on GCC won't make the US stop. The US doesn't take orders from GCC but from Israel and the Jewish-American community.

 

[ToddE]

After the war it makes sense for Iran to engage China for an air superiority fighter jet. The foundation should be laid to procure, train and ready the IrAF. Russian's are much more unreliable and can't compete vs China on quality now and quantity.

Even if we get 200 J-10s + 200 SU-35s + 10 AWACS, they will be destroyed on ground along with air bases hosting them with in a week. Understand the enemy we are fighting an elongated war against.

Not to mention the same 40-50 Billion USD that will be wasted in creating this AF can give IRGCASF some 10 more underground bases hosting 2000 more BM/CM and drones.

 

[Optical216]

Do you have proof?

Why is gas facilities, power plants and water desalination plants being spared in Israel ? Is it lack of capability or unwillingness to do so?

It's Israel which attacked oil facilities and other critical infrastructure in Iran.

Putting pressure on GCC won't make the US stop. The US doesn't take orders from GCC but from Israel and the Jewish-American community.

They have literally hit oil Plants? And industrial areas?

These Arab gulf countries provide logistics to USA they are legitimate targets.

 

[albritani]

From the perspective of the Chinese, Al Jazeera is the most pro-west middle eastern media outlet.

They are Arabs, but keep using the talking points of the westerners.

No wonder our Iranian friends feel the same.

It's better then presstv who last week were posting on x fake story work ai video, they did remove it eventually but that's still completely moronic.

 

[Optical216]

Even if we get 200 J-10s + 200 SU-35s + 10 AWACS, they will be destroyed on ground along with air bases hosting them with in a week. Understand the enemy we are fighting an elongated war against.

Not to mention the same 40-50 Billion USD that will be wasted in creating this AF can give IRGCASF some 10 more underground bases hosting 2000 more BM/CM and drones.

The longer the war goes, the more Iran will adapt, the more the population will rally, the more entrenched Iran becomes.

 

[Takayoshi]

Highly likely Iran got its first aircraft kill of the war

@Persian Gulf

@Shags101

I'm no military expert but how come the pilots did not even attempt to eject? and crashed to their death? Is it possible they were rescued?

Let's see what centcom has to say about this.

 

[ety]

After the war it makes sense for Iran to engage China for an air superiority fighter jet. The foundation should be laid to procure, train and ready the IrAF. Russian's are much more unreliable and can't compete vs China on quality now and quantity.

I think Iran will always prefer Russia over China as the foremost strategic partner esp in military sense simply because of geopolitics and cooperation history.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Even if we get 200 J-10s + 200 SU-35s + 10 AWACS, they will be destroyed on ground along with air bases hosting them with in a week. Understand the enemy we are fighting an elongated war against.

Not to mention the same 40-50 Billion USD that will be wasted in creating this AF can give IRGCASF some 10 more underground bases hosting 2000 more BM/CM and drones.

True, Iran needs to 100% focusing on asymmetric warfare against a superpower like the US.

However, if you win this war, you will most likely establish yourself as a nuclear power, and it will be unlikely for you to fight a superpower in the future.

So you will still not invest in your air force and navy after having economic recovery?

 

[TallarnDesertRaider]

You took it wrong, I was talking about beyond 2027-28 when 60 or so SU-35S are supposed to arrive and are shoved inside underground bases to fight regional wars in future.

Overall, there is no airforce on earth except Chinese (and Russian to some extent) may be that can survive against USAF/USN/Israeli AF combination. They will destroy the fleet on ground within a week if not in air.

Oh, in the future? Maybe. The problem IMO is doctrinal going forwards. They really should, as you say, have any aircraft at all squirreled away almost permanently underground. But whatever they would procure should be practical for their overall theater strategy. I'm not sure getting 5th or 6th gen planes really fits in that, honestly. They'll be really expensive and complicated to manufacture but for unclear tactical gains.

In the event that they achieve their maximal demands in this war, going forwards in context of a regional conflict with no external actors, what would a plane costing 10-100x what a missile does achieve? ISR honestly can be conducted using cheaper drones. Precision strikes? Combine them with drone ISR. In Ukraine we've seen Molniya/Orlan drones marking and guiding targets for Lancets. Could guide missiles the same way, potentially. And training a drone operator is far cheaper than training a fighter pilot, and the pool of available candidates is also comically larger.

 

[lightning f57]

Even if we get 200 J-10s + 200 SU-35s + 10 AWACS, they will be destroyed on ground along with air bases hosting them with in a week. Understand the enemy we are fighting an elongated war against.

Not to mention the same 40-50 Billion USD that will be wasted in creating this AF can give IRGCASF some 10 more underground bases hosting 2000 more BM/CM and drones.

Then something stronger from an air defence perspective is needed otherwise key infrastructure is at mercy, thats why we see so many disproportionately higher deaths on Iranian side.

400 fighter jets with AWACs and BVR weapons would make a huge deterrence as well. You cant destroy all of them in one go Iran is massive.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

And this war has proved that they have a great dream, but need reality check.

Impetus rides alongside the one with an agenda. A plan!
in a reticent body, a tiny parasite finds the heart!
The most important thing is the spotlight on the parasite, so the body knows it is under attack.

 

[albritani]

US-Israel have lost the war completely because of their own stupidity unless US drops nukes over Iranian cities which ain't happening. They have not changed the regime, they have not deterred IRGCASF that just yesterday was blasting US radars on traitor arabi soil and Israeli factory, thats in 2nd month of the war, HEU is still in Iran, the 5K centrifuges cascades are still in Iran, Iran is selling 5MBPD oil, strait is still closed, so what actually has been achieved? Even if they take the islands, the war will drag on and they will have body bags that no US admin will want. These are small islands with no cover, it will be like shooting ducks in a barrel with drones and SRBMs/TBMs/GMLRS which is why they have not tried it yet even after 20 days of threatening by Trump. They cant land in Isfahan to drag out HEU considering its still there ?? lol they will have to land, create airstrip, excavate hundreds of feets below, drg out tons of metal ? so whats the way out ? No regime change, no IRGC reciprocating strike suppression/deterioration, Strait is still closed, USDPB rising, US has lost almost its entire land based EW /Search Track network on traitor arab soil, the aviation losses are balanced on both sides, Iran has taken hits but on civilian infrastructure that means nothing in terms of war goals. I predicted war decay on both sides thats exactly we are at right now.

The US losses aren't even .1% of what they have lol, Iran has lost a lot but yeah no major goals have been accomplished aside from destroying Iran economically for a few more years but that means nothing to a country that's already running on fumes.