Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ToddE]

Oh, in the future? Maybe. The problem IMO is doctrinal going forwards. They really should, as you say, have any aircraft at all squirreled away almost permanently underground. But whatever they would procure should be practical for their overall theater strategy. I'm not sure getting 5th or 6th gen planes really fits in that, honestly. They'll be really expensive and complicated to manufacture but for unclear tactical gains.

In the event that they achieve their maximal demands in this war, going forwards in context of a regional conflict with no external actors, what would a plane costing 10-100x what a missile does achieve? ISR honestly can be conducted using cheaper drones. Precision strikes? Combine them with drone ISR. In Ukraine we've seen Molniya/Orlan drones marking and guiding targets for Lancets. Could guide missiles the same way, potentially. And training a drone operator is far cheaper than training a fighter pilot, and the pool of available candidates is also comically larger.

We only have 1-2 underground airbases so far playing no role in war. The attack jets inside them can launch heavy and modern PGMs and long ranged AShCM and LACMs but sending them out will be dangerous. Our only solution in future to have an airforce will be atleast 7-8 underground airbases with massive defence mechanisms at entry points, runways ...

Against US+Israel or NATO any airforce will always be decimated on ground.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

A superpower can only be built by many strategic planners, not by a bunch of one-time gamblers.

The world is at a precipice on this gamble and many have suffered unwittingly for the ones with an agenda to rule.

 

[TallarnDesertRaider]

We only have 1-2 underground airbases so far playing no role in war. The attack jets inside them can launch heavy and modern PGMs and long ranged AShCM and LACMs but sending them out will be dangerous. Our only solution in future to have an airforce will be atleast 7-8 underground airbases with massive defence mechanisms at entry points, runways ...

Against US+Israel or NATO any airforce will always be decimated on ground.

Yeah, maybe. My speculation is, as I say, mostly around regional conflicts excluding external actors like the US. But that might not be realistic, as the US, in that scenario, will always be an enemy of Iran, so maybe it's better to just forego the planes and just continue on what they're doing now.

 

[Tom_Cruise]

Interesting news to wake up to that Iran may have downed a jet over their airspace. This proves that USA/Israel have localised air superiority over specific areas that allows for even b52s and not absolute superiority and most certainly not air dominance..

Could be from the Kuwait incident. Who knows, too much fog of war right now. Hopefully it's new.

 

[FUB]

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[mythbuster]

Economically, China, yes. But, geopolitically, Russia now ranks before China for Iran.

No sir , Russia is a wreck of her former self, she is struggling to keep her image.... China is the real deal.... it's China and Pakistan who are running the middle east theatre.

 

[FUB]

Could be from the Kuwait incident. Who knows, too much fog of war right now. Hopefully it's new.

Highly unlikely since there is video evidence

 

[ToddE]

True, Iran needs to 100% focusing on asymmetric warfare against a superpower like the US.

However, if you win this war, you will most likely establish yourself as a nuclear power, and it will be unlikely for you to fight a superpower in the future.

So you will still not invest in your air force and navy after having economic recovery?

200+ nukes from 1MT to 0.1 KT (enough HEU -> WGU for 30-40 tactical nukes exists)

5000 Missiles ranging from MIRVed ICBMs to TBMS (Majorly exists already)

20000 attack drones (exists already)

50 or so underground bases hosting the attack assets including air-superiority attack fighters like SU-35S + SU-57

LEO constellation of our own for targeting, tracking and narrative building like showing enemy losses on time, to defy Israeli, arabi, US censorship.

Strategic defence pacts with Russia, China based on joint economic ventures.

Extreme chokehold over Strait or Hormuz, Red Sea.

Strengthening the regional alliances with Yemen, Iraq, Hezb-Lebanon.

That will save IRI, nothing else will.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

The world is at a precipice on this gamble and many have suffered unwittingly for the ones with an agenda to rule.

I would say that the rare earth sanction would be the main reason for Trump to attack Iran for his bargaining chips against China.

Since their nuclear arsenal also requires the rare earth for maintenance and upgrade, and China's move is killing them.

The US was a very good long term strategic planner during the cold war, and the post-cold war made them a bad one with full of hubris.

And Trump is the final nail to fully turn them into an one-time gambler like Israel.

 

[Haz]

And you are a low intellect troll whose entire life revolves around spamming in Iranian threads downplaying Iranian military victories because of some weird obsession you have developed against Iran ROFL. Ironically, you are a palastini whose people got turned into meat shavings by the very same people who you are cheering for in this thread i.e. US/Israel/PGCC, you wont know it but this is what you are doing.



Provide evidence.



Official sources of enemies of Iran in this war.



Officails of US, Israel and its PGCC pets only.

They are an enemy source (involved in the war) that downplays Iranian victories, do not quote Iranian officials or claims but shows Israeli, arabi, US sources as words of God. Saoodi military will claim 5000 missiles intercepted and they will show it as official but if IRGCASF's commander claims destroying enemy assets in bulk with sat pictures they wont show it, they wont show official released gun sights of IRIAD taking out drones, jets, they wont show Israeli cities facing destruction or question Israelis imposing extreme level censorship on ground of missile impacts etc etc ... Two days ago when chemical factory and Haifa Bazan oil field was hit by IRGCASF, I counted Yahoodi arabia channel showing 5 news of US/Israeli victories from different angles with large reports but the Israeli losses were shown the last in a short manner lol no wonder two bit AIPAC gays like Zionist Lindsay Graham control PGCC showing thumbs up with compromised royals.

You have an agenda but it wont change reality. They are adversary in this war, it is expected of them. Whole world does this, arabi media should be banned in Iranian section. It is literally like someone spams the Pakistani forum with Indian media claims. Mods do not allow that BS so same law should be applied to Iranian section. You can post this BS media report in arabi section with that low iq 500 million saoodi troll guy. Just do not spam here.



There is no "us" palastini. Your arabi countries saw your kind holocausted and butchered and did nothing. Unarmed, undefended babies turned into meat shreds by Israelis with zero defence, what did they do ? what did Egyptians, Jordanians do seeing palastinis being turned into dirt from their border posts huh Even today they are being killed despite one way ceasefire, their home are being stolen what are arabis doing for your kind ? PGCC sheikhs put billion of USD in Zionist Jew politicians and power figures ventures, in return these same figures arm and power up Israel so it can mince up your people but here you are, spamming our thread with downolaying illogical stupid posts.

And also, we are not even your kind, stay away from us.

I don't know how you haven't seen all his posts before since he posts on this forum quite alot, but he is one of the most pro-Iran, pro-Hezb Arab poster there is. The fact that he simply prefers to actually verify what's going on from different reporting outlets and not just take the heavily questionable reporting from pro-Iran sources only does not immediately make him anti-Iranian.

Trying to separate whats factual and true from the sea of BS propaganda coming from both sides is what we all should be doing on here, not just simply blindly cheer leading, even if you are heavily biased to one side or the other. I thought this is the purpose of this military discussion board, unless we're mistaken and it's actually supposed to be purely a propaganda site.

 

[FUB]

UAE must

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[Yasser76]

US now really losing the narrative war as they keep changing stories about Iranian capabilities, approaching Indian levels of disinfo. 2 days ago "75% of Iran's missile capabilities degraded" now this. At this rate Iran can go on for at least another month, the western world economies cannot.

 

[FUB]

You think
What the senator is not saying
Israel is calling the shots and ordering the general to be fired

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[FUB]

LMAO

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[ShapurII]

200+ nukes from 1MT to 0.1 KT (enough HEU -> WGU for 30-40 tactical nukes exists)

5000 Missiles ranging from MIRVed ICBMs to TBMS (Majorly exists already)

20000 attack drones (exists already)

50 or so underground bases hosting the attack assets including air-superiority attack fighters like SU-35S + SU-57

LEO constellation of our own for targeting, tracking and narrative building like showing enemy losses on time, to defy Israeli, arabi, US censorship.

Strategic defence pacts with Russia, China based on joint economic ventures.

Extreme chokehold over Strait or Hormuz, Red Sea.

Strengthening the regional alliances with Yemen, Iraq, Hezb-Lebanon.

That will save IRI, nothing else will.

We were on this path before the Rohani administration.
Everything went wrong after that "Purple Fox" became the president.