US Perspective on the Iran - Israel / US War

[Hamartia Antidote]

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I am also keen to hear the American perspective on the objectives of the war. Is it still to liberate Iranians from our evil government ("help is on its way!")? How does threatening to bomb our water desalination plants, return us to the "stone ages", and steal our oil, help to liberate Iranians?

LOL! Everybody was 100% positive the US was going to steal Iraq's oil..so much for that theory.
We don't get much oil from Iraq...I think China and India are their biggest customers with over 50%.

As for Iran any "supposed" future changes in oil deals or freedom for their people is likely not going to benefit the US much.

 

[mythbuster]

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RAF Mildenhall - The 352d Special Operations Wing. The 352nd Wing serves as the focal point for all U.S. Air Force special operations activities throughout the European theater for U.S. European Command (USEUCOM), as well as Africa for U.S. Africa Command (USAFRICOM) and Southwest Asia and the Middle East for U.S. Central Command.

The wing is prepared to conduct a variety of high priority, low-visibility missions supporting U.S. and allied special operations forces during peacetime, joint operations exercises, and combat operations.

Spotted over the UK Eastward bound:

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In Centcom AOR Today
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These aircraft are unique because they often fly with taped serials (meaning you are unable to make out the registration/tail numbers), they can fly low enough to be undetected to radar and have the ability to refuel special forces helicopters in the air. They will go transponder off and Silent when exiting friendly territory and are equipped with the super-secret Silent Knight Radar.

What makes the Silent Knight Radar so special is that it is an advanced, low-probability-of-detection/interception (LPI/LPD) multi-mode radar designed for U.S. Special Operations Command (USSOCOM). It enables helicopters and fixed-wing aircraft—including the MH-47G, MH-60M, and CV-22—to fly safely at low altitudes (100–1,000 ft) in adverse weather and high-threat environments.

As the war drags on, with no immediate end in sight-military observers and analysts have been hearing rumors of a possible military infiltration of Iran, the recent block flights of these highly specialized and secretive aircraft leaving the UK and operating in EUCOM (US European Command) AOR is a concerning and development.

US Blackhawk Callsign MFO300S repeatedly appeared on ADB flying above Tel Aviv again:
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The Blackhawk in question is assigned to the 2_211th Army Aviation Wing Utah Air National Guard and specializes in lift and support for Special Forces.
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Then there was this track from the Gerald Ford Earlier today approx 1200zulu
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And then the return leg seen approx 30 mins ago:
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Couple this with available positioning of US assets and personnel, this indicates to advanced level readiness drills and tactical level staging.

This is beyond the grasp of average military enthusiast....who are you ?

 

[RescueRanger]

USAF B2 bombers are being refueled off the coast of Portugal via KC 46A's stationed in the UK - they meet up with the bombers and escorts off the coast of Azores - Autonomous Islands belonging to Portugal

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Here in this video you can hear a coronet consisting of KC 46A's callsign: BLUE16, BLUE17, and BLUE18

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Callsign Blue is assigned to any tanker (USAF refuller) stationed in the UK
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The tankers take off from UK - RV with the bombers and drag them towards CENTCOM AOR bypassing European Airspace. However it should be mentioned - Azoes Islands are PART of EU sovereign territory so technically they are still using EU Airspace.

This video capturing the B2 bombers in the skies over Gibraltar on the 3rd confirm my track, radio intercept and analysis above:

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[Persian Gulf]

LOL! Everybody was 100% positive the US was going to steal Iraq's oil..so much for that theory.
We don't get much oil from Iraq...I think China and India are their biggest customers with over 50%.

This is not a theory, it's a tweet from the US President saying "keep the oil". In the 70s or 80s, Trump also said the US should steal Iran's oil.

My question is: how do the US President's public threats to bomb Iran's water desalination plants, return Iran to the "Stone Ages", and "keep the oil" help liberate Iranians? Didn't Trump previously tell Iranians that "help is on its way"? What changed? Do Americans care that their president is publicly threatening war crimes?

 

[Aziqbal]

This video capturing the B2 bombers in the skies over Gibraltar on the 3rd confirm my track, radio intercept and analysis above:

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Chinese satellites should be able track these live tracking

and I am sure they are building up a picture of pattern and refuelling times with full spectrum of operations

if there is a pattern and trend it can be exploited and if the timing and equipment is right Iran could get a shot at these

 

[RescueRanger]

Chinese satellites should be able track these live tracking

and I am sure they are building up a picture of pattern and refuelling times with full spectrum of operations

if there is a pattern and trend it can be exploited and if the timing and equipment is right Iran could get a shot at these

In my humble opinion, Iran doesn't have the hardware to target B2's (I am open to being corrected if this is wrong).

Reasons:

Operational ceiling - 50,000 ft. They Deploy DFS and DRFM. DFS: "captures" an incoming enemy radar pulse and manipulates its data in fractions of a second.

DRFM: rebroadcasts altered signal back to the enemy radar with delay - creating a ghost target miles away from the actual location of the bomber, making it impossible for the enemy to achieve a "weapon quality" track.

AEAS and MALD-J use during operations actively suppress enemy radar. Emissions control LIDAR and decoys all deployed to make active tracking of B2's in COMBAT near impossible.


Detection and Interception: Whilst Iran's upgraded Sepehr could see something in the sky, it will not have precise coordinates for a "lock" or firing solution. Sayyad-4B missile is claimed to have a detection range of 450 km and an interception range of 300 km.

Iran does have : low frequency UHF band radars such as Rezonans-NE [RU] and the YLC-8B [CN] that can detect stealth aircraft.

The S-300PMU-2 is a great system but unproven against recent intercepts.

EW: B2's never operate alone and are supported by the Growlers that suppress enemy AAD

 

[Serendipity]

well they arent acting like an enemy to israel though , i am sorry but this is just cope . just look at the behaviour of UAE towards us

Yes, if you look at it from the Ummah's perspective, but if you look at it from Iran's perspective, you don't really care when they are using arabian air space/bases to bomb your civilians and children ,they are the same to you. Imagine if we are at war with India and Afghanistan, and others join in , will you also not say '**** them' and dish out some punches too?

agreed , its so baffling why dont arabs/iran wake up an see beyond this hatred

Agreed. They should know better. Some are beginning to raise their voice. Just like Iran boasted about helping the US destroy Afghanistan and Iraq and are now learning their lesson, the rest of the regional countries will likely follow a similar pattern.

Quoting Ahmdijenad:

"America has said that Iran is the axis of evil. They made such an insult when Iran was the country that cooperated with them the most in Afghanistan and Iraq."

Reference: https://www.mepanews.com/iran-us-coop-68922h.htm (only to the extent of the quote. I haven't verified anything else in the article)


Goodness knows we learned this a long time ago in Pakistan and have been advising the rest of the muslims countries about it for years now.

Iran and UAEs animosity goes back further with territorial conflict involved. Its like expecting pakistan to support India if india is attacked by the US. Though at least there is shared faith, even if it is of different flavors, that should have bound together. The narrative that Iran is a completely innocent bystander is for the personal consumption of the biased. They did sponsor proxies for direct attacks on the gulf countries. To then expect the same countries to root for Iran is a generous expectation. To further expect them to sit quietly while Iran has attacked an array of civlian infrastructure is also quite generous.

Given Iran's history of cooperating with the US against its other regional enemies, if the coin had fallen on the otherside and it was the GCC countries that were attacked you would see the same behaviour. All sides are to blame.

From the US perspective, smaller countries will always be more malleable than larger ones. They have no significant independent power to contest US intentions in the area. There are only 2 regional powers with that clout - Saudi and Iran. These are the two they are likely trying to fragment to make them more manageable.

I have said this before, morality is not morality if I change it based on the players. I would never support Pakistan attacking Iran because Iran gave Chabahar to India if at all avoidable. But idealistic talk like thia has limits for the real decision makers and I am happy to acknowledge that. But to be put in a position where you have to make such a decision, that is where real failure lies.

Please bear in mind I do not say anything with the explicit intent of creating hurt and apologize if it comes across as that. I do like to lend voice to the underrepresented side in any discussion for sake of greater objectivity, and the GCC is severely underrepresented here so I will play the advocate. It doesnt mean I endorse all their behaviour.

I have realized one near Universal truth. In a fight amongst those who should be brothers ( alienated though they may be), the title of villain depends on only one variable - how far back in time you are willing to go.

It is a cycle where only the last victim has the privilege to end the stupidity. We were taught this with the first unfair death of a human - Cane and Able. But that is a decision easier taken at a personal level than a collective level.

 

[Aziqbal]

In my humble opinion, Iran doesn't have the hardware to target B2's (I am open to being corrected if this is wrong).

Reasons:

Operational ceiling - 50,000 ft. They Deploy DFS and DRFM. DFS: "captures" an incoming enemy radar pulse and manipulates its data in fractions of a second.

DRFM: rebroadcasts altered signal back to the enemy radar with delay - creating a ghost target miles away from the actual location of the bomber, making it impossible for the enemy to achieve a "weapon quality" track.

AEAS and MALD-J use during operations actively suppress enemy radar. Emissions control LIDAR and decoys all deployed to make active tracking of B2's in COMBAT near impossible.


Detection and Interception: Whilst Iran's upgraded Sepehr could see something in the sky, it will not have precise coordinates for a "lock" or firing solution. Sayyad-4B missile is claimed to have a detection range of 450 km and an interception range of 300 km.

Iran does have : low frequency UHF band radars such as Rezonans-NE [RU] and the YLC-8B [CN] that can detect stealth aircraft.

The S-300PMU-2 is a great system but unproven against recent intercepts.

EW: B2's never operate alone and are supported by the Growlers that suppress enemy AAD
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agreed only bomber they could get lucky is on the B52 bomber

but they come with "air corridors" opened by SEAD/DEAD and F35 fighters flying escorts

downing a bomber would be the next bets thing after F35

 

[RescueRanger]

agreed only bomber they could get lucky is on the B52 bomber

but they come with "air corridors" opened by SEAD/DEAD and F35 fighters flying escorts

downing a bomber would be the next bets thing after F35

True it would be a PR coup but not an easy feat as the hardware just isn't there.

 

[hasssanali8998]

I have realized one near Universal truth. In a fight amongst those who should be brothers ( alienated though they may be), the title of villain depends on only one variable - how far back in time you are willing to go.

It is a cycle where only the last victim has the privilege to end the stupidity. We were taught this with the first unfair death of a human - Cane and Able. But that is a decision easier taken at a personal level than a collective level.

yep this .

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

This video capturing the B2 bombers in the skies over Gibraltar on the 3rd confirm my track, radio intercept and analysis above:

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hmm it also shows they can fly pretty fast.

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

Looks like Trump may get an ally

China, Europe and why Beijing took a swing at Iran over the Strait of Hormuz

Beijing takes a stand at the United Nations at the closure of shipping lanes.

amp.scmp.com

China, Europe and why Beijing took a swing at Iran over the Strait of Hormuz​

it's only lip service, if China really wants Iran to stop it can simply stop buying Iranian oil.
Right now we are paying the market price with no discount.. and in large quantity too. that just shows what China's real stance is

Wonder how much tribute France paid.

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French ship 'first western vessel to travel through Strait of Hormuz'

The container ship is the only vessel owned by a major western shipping line to have made safe passage since the Iran war erupted five weeks ago.

www.dailymail.co.uk

maybe the veto at unsc did the trick, which didnt cost them much

 

[Ali_Baba]

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RAF Mildenhall - The 352d Special Operations Wing. The 352nd Wing serves as the focal point for all U.S. Air Force special operations activities throughout the European theater for U.S. European Command (USEUCOM), as well as Africa for U.S. Africa Command (USAFRICOM) and Southwest Asia and the Middle East for U.S. Central Command.

The wing is prepared to conduct a variety of high priority, low-visibility missions supporting U.S. and allied special operations forces during peacetime, joint operations exercises, and combat operations.

Spotted over the UK Eastward bound:

View attachment 190084

In Centcom AOR Today
View attachment 190085
These aircraft are unique because they often fly with taped serials (meaning you are unable to make out the registration/tail numbers), they can fly low enough to be undetected to radar and have the ability to refuel special forces helicopters in the air. They will go transponder off and Silent when exiting friendly territory and are equipped with the super-secret Silent Knight Radar.

What makes the Silent Knight Radar so special is that it is an advanced, low-probability-of-detection/interception (LPI/LPD) multi-mode radar designed for U.S. Special Operations Command (USSOCOM). It enables helicopters and fixed-wing aircraft—including the MH-47G, MH-60M, and CV-22—to fly safely at low altitudes (100–1,000 ft) in adverse weather and high-threat environments.

As the war drags on, with no immediate end in sight-military observers and analysts have been hearing rumors of a possible military infiltration of Iran, the recent block flights of these highly specialized and secretive aircraft leaving the UK and operating in EUCOM (US European Command) AOR is a concerning and development.

US Blackhawk Callsign MFO300S repeatedly appeared on ADB flying above Tel Aviv again:
View attachment 190088
The Blackhawk in question is assigned to the 2_211th Army Aviation Wing Utah Air National Guard and specializes in lift and support for Special Forces.
--
Then there was this track from the Gerald Ford Earlier today approx 1200zulu
View attachment 190092

And then the return leg seen approx 30 mins ago:
View attachment 190093

Couple this with available positioning of US assets and personnel, this indicates to advanced level readiness drills and tactical level staging.

Thanks and interesting. I do wonder if the Americans will try stage raiding parties on the missile cities themselves with a view of taking them out, rather than(or in addition to Island hopping).

Time will tell I guess.

 

[RescueRanger]

Thanks and interesting. I do wonder if the Americans will try stage raiding parties on the missile cities themselves with a view of taking them out, rather than(or in addition to Island hopping).

Time will tell I guess.

It is now confirmed by this NOTAM from Lebanon

 

[RescueRanger]

It is now confirmed by this NOTAM from Lebanon
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Radio traffic from Nicosia ATC - USAF F35[ Callsign CROW 31] transiting through NICOSIA FIR before proceeding to Tel Aviv.


USAF Callsign Index:[For reference]