US Perspective on the Iran - Israel / US War

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Astronomic levels of cope in the main thread. Losing 2-3 aircraft means nothing for a nation that just submitted a $1.5T defense budget.

The aircraft weren’t stuck in mud. It was either soft sand or blown tires. The US blew up its own aircraft, not from Iranian fire.
 
RescueRanger said:
Public sentiment is not a good litmus for Europe. Remember France in the 2000's? or even London for that matter. The public are fickle masters.
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Just going with the feelings here, and they are strong. Lets see what happens
 
RescueRanger said:
Fair brother, but I gave up on gut feelings a long time ago. I just look at facts and figures now. Data is clean and cuts through the noise and bullshit like caustic soda.
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Agreed, and going by that Meloni's actions are reflecting Italian public sentiment, so the data seems to be backing up the feelings. She is going to face a tough reelection and if you noticed is distancing herself from Trump quite a bit.
 
Yasser76 said:
Agreed, and going by that Meloni's actions are reflecting Italian public sentiment, so the data seems to be backing up the feelings. She is going to face a tough reelection and if you noticed is distancing herself from Trump quite a bit.
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Watch this space.
 
RescueRanger said:
No man left behind is not just a slogan. They really mean it, you have to admire them for that.
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It is important for aircrew morale, not just PR and the actual loss of a trained pilot. Reason why PAF take it very seriously too, you will notice we always tried to put decent assets in for this.

However after this incident USAF would be stupid at least not changing SOPs. Iran gave them a nasty surprise somehow...
 
Yasser76 said:
However after this incident USAF would be stupid at least not changing SOPs.
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The US maintained exceptional operational and information brilliance during all of this. There was a press embargo on naming/displaying details of downed pilots - not even their sex/gender was mentioned. This my friend is discipline and professionalism.

US do things differently. I mean they wrote the book on this stuff.
 
RescueRanger said:
The US maintained exceptional operational and information brilliance during all of this. There was a press embargo on naming/displaying details of downed pilots - not even their sex/gender was mentioned. This my friend is discipline and professionalism.

US do things differently. I mean they wrote the book on this stuff.
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Sure, and the excellence also translates into learning from mistakes. Just like they did with bombing missions during the Vietnam War. A captured crew would make great anti-US PR so logically they will try and avoid that now, the risk v reward would make no sense, especially if you have stand off weapons.
I am also not discounting the discipline and professionalism of the Iranians. Managing kills wit no active air force or advanced SAM system means they are doing something right, maybe setting up ambushes. The recent losses were not lucky pot shots from a tribal with a rifle...
 
Yasser76 said:
Sure, and the excellence also translates into learning from mistakes. Just like they did with bombing missions during the Vietnam War. A captured crew would make great anti-US PR so logically they will try and avoid that now, the risk v reward would make no sense, especially if you have stand off weapons.
I am also not discounting the discipline and professionalism of the Iranians. Managing kills wit no active air force or advanced SAM system means they are doing something right, maybe setting up ambushes. The recent losses were not lucky pot shots from a tribal with a rifle...
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Ah but we don't know what the US are doing or not doing - We have a sneak peek, not the full picture. There is only so much you can learn from a FM or a TM.
 
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