Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Musings said:
What the fukc do you expect them
To do?
Negotiations and talks mean compromise - give and take. Both parties have to realease the stubbornness and allow a deal to be reached. What do you want Pakistan to do? Walk away and let armagedeon begin?
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Look I don't think folks are seeing it from Iran's perspective here. Our country is doing what it can, but we must accept that in the grand scheme of things, we are a nobody in this conflict, be it diplomatically or militarily. We have done our best and we can leave it at that. Iran has to do what they think is in their interest and negotiating with a nation that has betrayed them twice during 'negotiations' isn't easy. Id be vary, too.
 
Bratva said:
I suppose you are right. Irani's has decided that they want their and GCC infra destroyed to maximum. While they wont be destroying Israel or Azerbaijan oil facilities which is main source of oil for Israel. If no party is willing to give an inch or compromise to give peace talks a chance, then let it run it's course.
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We have a saying: dost rulaye, dushman hasai. “A fiend makes you cry (with truth) and an enemy makes to laugh (with flattery).

They think those encouraging them to have their hardship continue or get worse are their friends, let them find out.
 
If Iran decides to take a two week ceasefire deal and open Hormuz, then in these two weeks they should try to break the nuclear threshold if they have capacity, because after two weeks when to stockpile of interceptors in gcc and israil is reloaded, then they are going to wipe out iran as planned..

Iran has only two choices. Immediate destruction or a delayed destruction unless IRGC Goes Nuclear (unlikely)
 
ShapurII said:
All I said, and I stand by it 100%, is that Sharif Shahbaz is humiliating himself by becoming a mouthpiece for the Americans/Saudis/Israelis. And I stand by it 100% because it is true.

Nobody asked Sharif Shahbaz to be a mediator for us and now he is begging us repeatedly to accept a ceasefire to open the Strait of Hormuz and let US amphibious ships pass.
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He is asking for some grounds to have a ceasefire, because you have to propose something

.... so that trump does not deliver on his statement.
Because in theory he could, no one wants to be in a situation where in the weeks to come taking an off-ramp would have been a good choice

it's as if all of the other previous statements in favor of Iran meant nothing

Not many Pakistanis have complained but Iran can at least be cognizant that this is causing strain on other nations, in fact it is causing strain on the most vulnerable nations
 
hasssanali8998 said:
White House spokesperson to Axios

President trump was briefed on Pakistan's proposal regarding Iran and will issue a response on this matter
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Lets hope for a coherent response and not some " we will end a civilization tonight " response. Damn how far US has come? we have to wish for a sensible grown up and mature response from white house rather than a teenage girl first time getting her period.
 
ShapurII said:
All I said, and I stand by it 100%, is that Sharif Shahbaz is humiliating himself by becoming a mouthpiece for the Americans/Saudis/Israelis. And I stand by it 100% because it is true.

Nobody asked Sharif Shahbaz to be a mediator for us and now he is begging us repeatedly to accept a ceasefire to open the Strait of Hormuz and let US amphibious ships pass.
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Is Iran humiliating itself by paying heed to our proposal? Will you please stop your rant?

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Immortals said:
Yes

Asking Iran to give its biggest concession up without anything in return (a ceasefire for 2 weeks is worth nothing when you already been bombed 15,000 times) is a dumb proposal.

This ceasefire proposal was completely slanted towards US and Israel and the Arab nations.

Dead on arrival.

But what more do you expect from Pakistan PM who was praising Trump for being the beacon of peace just weeks ago at the farce “Board of Peace” summit.
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If there remains no civilian infra to sustain Irani population in coming weeks, what benefit you going to extract from blocking hormuz then?
 
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Lets hope it ends now. Iran will leave in a position of power, Missile program intact, Nuclear program intact, Hormuz as a permanent power card and recognition as a power that US and Gulf will not want to meddle with, again.

Anything that escalates from here can go wither ways, bad for the US or bad for Iran or bad for both.
 
kobra said:
If Iran decides to take a two week ceasefire deal and open Hormuz, then in these two weeks they should try to break the nuclear threshold if they have capacity, because after two weeks when to stockpile of interceptors in gcc and israil is reloaded, then they are going to wipe out iran as planned..

Iran has only two choices. Immediate destruction or a delayed destruction unless IRGC Goes Nuclear (unlikely)
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from 60% to 90% its a matter of days not even weeks
 
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